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Old 09-26-2009, 05:17 PM   #8676
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The guy was desperate with his Full Tilt situation and you used that and his thread as a tool for your new sarcasm routine about the sites and how they are regulated being very legit, while distracting him from getting any real help.

Kind of why he asked what the heck you were talking about a couple times in frustration as his account was being closed.

Maybe do that less in future - just use your rigged routine of the day in this thread instead.
Please copy and paste where I turned that into some sort of spin for online poker regulation. In two different threads that were worthless, I made comments that you obviously recognized, b/c I quoting you and your cronies words to other users in similiar situations....
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:28 PM   #8677
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"Burden of proof is on the accuser?" Are you kidding me?
Innocence until proven guilty is a cornerstone of many country's legal systems, believe it or not.

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Billions of dollars! It's not worth questioning?
At some point people need to move past vague questioning and show real evidence of something that is amiss.

I just popped my head in to see what things are like in here now, and I guess it shouldn't come as any surprise that the same combatants seem to still be at it. My 2+2 life is so much better since I quit this thread. Thanks to the voices of reason who keep fighting the good fight, though.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:28 PM   #8678
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If you play 100K hands on differrent sites you should see on all close to the same games. The funny thing is that this is not the case...
What do you base this assumption on, that 100K hands is anywhere near enough for samples to even out? Depending on what you mean by "all close to the same games", you are almost certainly way off.

You can hold any one of 1326 hands in holdem. With any one of those, you then have 2,118,760 possible boards that can fall with that hand, giving you nearly 3 trillion unique 7 card hands. 100K hands is about 3 one-thousandths of a percent of those.

It's very likely that you can play 100K hands on multiple sites and NEVER hit the same 7-card hand on two sites.

Even if you do the math in a more realistic way and count only actual 7-card poker hands, there are almost 134 million of those, or 1340 uniquely different sets of 100K hands.

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Old 09-26-2009, 07:57 PM   #8679
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Dude, why when you get confronted, you constantly change your tune.
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Your motives are inconsistant.
Please list the various motives I have.

Please also explain how you know my motives?

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I've asked you numerous times to prove that you even play poker online...Yet you haven't....So no proof, means your not a poker player correct?
Whether or not I play poker is completely irrelevant to this thread.

You have a hilariously overinflated sense of your own importance to think that anyone would take any notice of the demands of an idiot-boy rigtard such as yourself asking them for personal details.

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Your {did you mean You're on here literally responding negatively to every post questioning the integrity of online poker.
ROFLMAO.

I woder which word in the English language you are having a problem with that is causing you to assert such an obvious untruth:

Literally?
Responding?
Every?

You must completely fail to misunderstand one of those (nuless you intended to lie through your teeth ).

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Well my country is broke b/c of trust...
Your country is broke because:

1) You are living well beyond your means. If the Chinese (amongst others) stopped your line of credit you'd really be in the sh|t.

2) Your regulators have time affter time proven themselves completely ineffectual.

Now, what was your solution to the problems of on-line poker?

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And when you can't, you say "Burden of proof is on the accuser?" Are you kidding me?
It's very inconvenient, I know, but if you want to live in a society where "Burden of proof is on the accuser?" is not the case, may I suggest you go and live in some jurisdiction where that is not the case. You may have a little difficulty as they are becoming rarer with ever year.

Or would you like the USA to go that route?
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Old 09-26-2009, 07:59 PM   #8680
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And Mont. I'd strongly suggest you quit bringing up my name in other threads.....
Why, what are you going to do if he doesn't?

Stamp your little foot and tell your daddy?

You have to realise that you are now something of a site joke.
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:02 PM   #8681
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I play everyday online for about 3 1/2 weeks out of the month. Then at the end of the month, I ... kick the **** ouf of my wife, spend 3 days in jail
Ahhh.

I wondered about those short absences when we are spared your mindless twittering.

Now we know.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:58 AM   #8682
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Pokerstars is rigged. I have seen enough in my 80,000 hand history and have talked to friends who are seeing the same. In low to mid level play, check the hands where you are all in. It is clear and simple to see. Dont let these shills here on 2 2 try to berate you into thinking you are too dumb to understand. Such a joke that site. LOOK AT YOUR HAND HISTORIES, SO CLEARLY OBVIOUS...
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:59 AM   #8683
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Pokerstars is rigged. I have seen enough in my 80,000 hand history and have talked to friends who are seeing the same. In low to mid level play, check the hands where you are all in. It is clear and simple to see. Dont let these shills here on 2 2 try to berate you into thinking you are too dumb to understand. Such a joke that site. LOOK AT YOUR HAND HISTORIES, SO CLEARLY OBVIOUS...
So, given it is so "clearly obvious" can you share the results of your analysis with us?
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:42 AM   #8684
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Pokerstars is rigged. I have seen enough in my 80,000 hand history and have talked to friends who are seeing the same. In low to mid level play, check the hands where you are all in. It is clear and simple to see. Dont let these shills here on 2 2 try to berate you into thinking you are too dumb to understand. Such a joke that site. LOOK AT YOUR HAND HISTORIES, SO CLEARLY OBVIOUS...
So when did you stop playing there?

Seems a bit brainless playing 80,000 hands on a site that is clearly and obviously rigged.

But that's an fairly standard reaction from rigtards (and one of the main reasons why the come across as complete jackasses): they become convinced that a site is rigged and then, instead of doing what any rational person would do and move elsewhere, they continue to play on the site they think is cheating them and come here and try to convince everyone else. Without any evidence.
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:57 AM   #8685
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Pokerstars is rigged. I have seen enough in my 80,000 hand history and have talked to friends who are seeing the same. In low to mid level play, check the hands where you are all in. It is clear and simple to see. Dont let these shills here on 2 2 try to berate you into thinking you are too dumb to understand. Such a joke that site. LOOK AT YOUR HAND HISTORIES, SO CLEARLY OBVIOUS...
Decent level

Holy crap is this live on the internets right now? HI MOM!
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:57 AM   #8686
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Pokerstars is rigged. I have seen enough in my 80,000 hand history and have talked to friends who are seeing the same. In low to mid level play, check the hands where you are all in. It is clear and simple to see. Dont let these shills here on 2 2 try to berate you into thinking you are too dumb to understand. Such a joke that site. LOOK AT YOUR HAND HISTORIES, SO CLEARLY OBVIOUS...
Took him a while to go all out rigtard. The signs were there though.

Donko I actually had a little more hope for you considering you were at least coming off as somewhat open minded. But I'm a little surprised that you just decided it was rigged without providing any level of detail. If you're so damn sure you should probably be telling us how you know... because otherwise you're no better than any of the other conspiracy theorists.
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:24 AM   #8687
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Took him a while to go all out rigtard. The signs were there though.
The clue was in the name.
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:24 AM   #8688
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So, given it is so "clearly obvious" can you share the results of your analysis with us?
<sarcasm> If it is clearly obvious you don't need to do any analysis. It is only worth analysing something that is uncertain. <sarcasm>
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:10 AM   #8689
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Could I have some cliff notes please.
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:14 AM   #8690
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Took him a while to go all out rigtard. The signs were there though.

Donko I actually had a little more hope for you considering you were at least coming off as somewhat open minded. But I'm a little surprised that you just decided it was rigged without providing any level of detail. If you're so damn sure you should probably be telling us how you know... because otherwise you're no better than any of the other conspiracy theorists.
For the best anyway as now his downswings has nothing to do with him and he no longer needs to worry about such matters as working on his game. Not sure why anyone is asking him for his proof, why would he be the first riggedologist to provide any. He used lots of capital letters at least.

Bit annoying that a few of us wasted time to tried to genuinely offer advice, but that's the way of the road at times.
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:41 AM   #8691
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I have a feeling Donko was levelling here. My sarcasm detector is on.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:13 AM   #8692
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Could I have some cliff notes please.
1) Some people who can't play poker delude themselves into thinking they can and scrap around for someone to blame when they keep losing.

2) Erm, that's it.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:11 AM   #8693
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I have a feeling Donko was levelling here. My sarcasm detector is on.
If it is a level it is just a variation of the "be sarcastic while still thinking it's rigged" type a level that a few of the riggedologists are doing as of late.

He did run really bad, so if he ran bad to set up a month long intricate level, well hey good for him. He lost a chunk of change but fooled us all.

The sarcasm factor is just the latest version of the "I am not saying it is rigged, but..." closet riggedologist lifestyle choice.

If he was a player who wanted to work on his game he would have done so by now.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:44 PM   #8694
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Examples?



Please list the various motives I have.

Please also explain how you know my motives?



Whether or not I play poker is completely irrelevant to this thread.

You have a hilariously overinflated sense of your own importance to think that anyone would take any notice of the demands of an idiot-boy rigtard such as yourself asking them for personal details.



ROFLMAO.

I woder which word in the English language you are having a problem with that is causing you to assert such an obvious untruth:

Literally?
Responding?
Every?

You must completely fail to misunderstand one of those (nuless you intended to lie through your teeth ).



Your country is broke because:

1) You are living well beyond your means. If the Chinese (amongst others) stopped your line of credit you'd really be in the sh|t.

2) Your regulators have time affter time proven themselves completely ineffectual.

Now, what was your solution to the problems of on-line poker?



It's very inconvenient, I know, but if you want to live in a society where "Burden of proof is on the accuser?" is not the case, may I suggest you go and live in some jurisdiction where that is not the case. You may have a little difficulty as they are becoming rarer with ever year.

Or would you like the USA to go that route?
Sure...

http://www.foia.cia.gov/browse_docs.asp
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Old 09-27-2009, 03:37 PM   #8695
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Invalid Argument. Please return to the FOIA home page and try your search again.
LOL.
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:12 PM   #8696
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What do online players expect? Its an online game controlled by GAMBLING organizations. The HOUSE always wins. Making poker go to online is just plain evil. All they have to do is make people lose on coolers and bad beats so that it gives them the ILLUSION that it was because of bad luck and not lack of skill. These players then immediately deposit more money and think they were just running bad until its their turn for AA vs KK/set over set/flush over straight again. Online poker can LITERALLY be controlled at will. Live poker can only be controlled if the dealer has the card skills of Ricky Jay.

Gambling Execs know that Online poker is now the most easily attainable DRUG known to man. Most people online aren't getting stacked by consistent losses but mainly by ALL IN moments where they have the flopped nuts or have the 2nd or 3rd nuts on the river where they almost HAVE to call or go all-in.

Is people really that delusional to think that they can TRUST ANY GAMBLING ORGANIZATION? Depositing money online is like lending money to the devil.
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:19 PM   #8697
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Shows promise but needs to work on a snappier delivery. 5/10 for now.
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:27 PM   #8698
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All they have to do is make people lose on coolers and bad beats so that it gives them the ILLUSION that it was because of bad luck and not lack of skill.
What motivates the sites to bad beat people? I can understand coolers, since that stems from live play, but how do bad beats help the sites out? Do they get more rake when they let someone hit a 2 outer?
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:07 PM   #8699
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What motivates the sites to bad beat people? I can understand coolers, since that stems from live play, but how do bad beats help the sites out? Do they get more rake when they let someone hit a 2 outer?
MONEY motivates them. I guess when one really thinks about it, coolers and bad beats are the same thing. Coolers tend to happen pre-flop and after the river because both players usually try to slow play the nuts/2nd nuts the whole way, as opposed to bad beats are when players are all in on the flop/turn and get outdrawn. The classic cooler would be AAvs KK preflop and then it turns into a bad beat if a king hits. That would only be considered a bad beat if they were all in preflop, though which still makes it a cooler considering its AA vs KK preflop. Its basically a double edged sword and it slices both ways.

When AA vs KK get to a flop, turn, and river then its no longer considered a bad beat or cooler considering both players had ample time to convince the other player that they had at least 2 pair or a set. Calling an all in at any point with just an over pair would just be overplaying premium hands like many amateurs normally do.

Basically its possible, that online there is a program that can generate AAvsKK or something like it x amount of times within a given timeframe to force action and all in situations. This same system can also detect the size of the pot and decide whether or not "bad beat" cards are neccessary to insure an all-in situation. When this happens often, more money is deposited and away the profits go. That't just hypothetical, but if I was an evil gambling exec that's what I would do. More action creates more action ect ect ect.

Execs have all the best excuses in the book to cheat people. They can just tell victims that, "It's just poker." When a game involves billions of dollars, of course evil people will do what they can to ATTEMPT TO INSURE HONESTY WHILE THEY EXPLOIT YOU WITH A SMILE ON THEIR FACES. It is poker after all, the most highly debated game of when skill and luck factor in.

Also, when 10s of millions of players are playing hundreds of millions of hands who is ever going to complain? Nobody goes any further than just being mad about their bad beats/coolers. They deal with it and fall back in the cycle. Few come out with large profits. I admit poker is fun and many play it just for the fun of it, but fun always turns into dependancy or just the need to win.

Many have the right mindset to think "If this guy can win at poker then so can I" which is true because nobody is above another human being, but that mindset should be for a something to do that is good and better for themselves and society.

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AA: I know this is a long thread, but did you read ANY of it before posting your "theory?"
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