An entire buy-in?! No! Is that even possible? You must be an unbiased expert on these matters!

But, basically, no, Stars is not rigged. And I say this as someone who has run over one hundred buyins below adj ev in less than a day's play. I also say this as someone who has not attempted to forge letters from Pokerstars or any other company to try to either troll really hard or to back up one of the worst arguments presented on this thread, which is really saying a lot.

Wow one whole buyin below ev. Gee, really? Hell over the short-term of a day too. We should file that as relevant to a rigged debate for sure.

Donkey, you keep lying about stuff you've seen on poker stars. Or at least you make some claim, then get asked to produce the proof and then either find you were wrong in your assumption, or in most cases just don't bother to check/show the data that backs up your claims.

You then directly lie about e-mails, and still want credibility without proof. Do you think you are someone that is a worthy witness? And believe me if there was a rig, all players, me included would want to know. What we don't need is idiots that want to make wild baseless accusations constantly. Pointless really.

I have no idea of your skill level. I'm not going to slam you for any apparent failure at 2nl, because honestly 15k hands where you will have only actively played maybe 20% of those is no real meter of ability. It is certainly possible to run bad over that amount of cards, FOR anyone, at pretty much any level.

OMG, you actually put the fkn whole regex in there.....nice effort tryin to school me, but I really don't need your explanations about coding, chances are that I am quite a bit longer in this game than you are. (Not that I would want a measurement contest in any form. I repeatedly posted here about me being a coder, but I cannot expect anyone ITT to remember this)

So, maybe this helps to prevent more knee jerking from coders:

This is the most worthless thread on the whole forum and I was replying to a guy who expectedly would not bother to show up here again, maybe he even really is a gimmick of donkeystars.

So if i make idiotic claims about native language and being a bad dev. , it's not serious. Just wanted to troll the BBVtard a little longer.

You may now keep on showing how coders with no good knowledge of the english language can easily reach the top , I will ignore this topic from now on.

you could always measure & compare biceps.

i know, right? if he posts any more, you may have to check yourself into the energency room for convulsions treatment.

So when the overwhelming majority of your posts are in the "most worthless thread on the forum" what does that say about you?

Nice /troll.

Cute, coming from the Overlord of BBVtards, using rigtard logic, did not expect anything else from you.

Now be a good doggy, take your great wit and go bash some bad beat whiners in your nice little realm.

Btw, how's your computer programming career going?

kind of refreshing to see a non-rigtard also capable of posting brainless nonsense itt. Nice balancing work mr Astley!

Ok, I missed that you were a coder. But for the record, I've been "in the game" since 1984 (7th grade) in one form or another, including professionally since 1994.

Well, I'm sorry I missed your troll - have you considered the possibility that forum posting is rigged against you?


I must admit - you certainly had me convinced you couldn't find a 'hello world' script taped to your ass with both hands. Well played.

Dear Sir, would you please elaborate?


@greebo: you "beat" me by 3 years.

Pay Rig Astley no mind, he's just a frustrated 5nl grinder who has never been able to move up.

And czechraiser, no way did you run 100 buyins below EV in a day, unless you're talking about loltournaments, rather than real poker like a cash game.

A "hello world" script is a bit beyond his abilities atm

LOL, BBVtard in action. I hope you don't get paid for coding.

I have seen that happen 3 out of every 50 hands that I've played live.

I got quad 5s playing a tournament live a few weeks back and knocked out a flush and a full house. Clearly rigged.

I want some stastistics emailed to me.

I am requesting that i am emailed the statistics for the following;

1. How many times there is an Ace dealt on the turn.

1b. A comparison between the statistic for the Ace card dealt on the turn and all the other cards in the deck dealt on the turn.

2. How many times the big blind is dealt a hand that has an outcome of becoming the winning hand in that given hand, with or without a showdown.

3. How many times JJ hand loses after starting the hand +ev.


There is an Ace card dealt on the turn an abnormaly high % of the time.

The hand JJ loses an abnorminal % of the time against -ev hands

The big blind is dealt a winning hand an abnormal amount of the time.

Please forward these statistics via email to me.

Please also forward this email and request to an independent investigation team who represents the body who is responsible for monitoring your site for fraud activity.

I am also requesting that you forward this email to the independent governing body who should be informed by law that I am requesting this information from you.

Your confirmation that your self appointed audit team have carried out an audit is simply not acceptable. You are simply governing yourself, which is unacceptable.

I would also like to suggest that an audit takes place under 'live' conditions. The audit results should be streamed 'live' as the audit takes place and this information should be accessable to all the parties who have a vested interest in seeing the audit results.

I am not a losing player and I have no losses that I am looking to blame on a rigged deal. BUT, I am a long term grinder on pokerstars and I see patterns within the deal and have a large sample size of hands recorded on a tracker software.

I look forward to your return mail confirming receipt of this email and confirming that I will be forwarded the precise information I am requesting. Also that a manager is dealing with my complaint and email.

I'm not gonna spend too much time on this but there are lots of variables that could make the answers to your questions not what you think is "fair" but that are still fair.

#3 is the easiest to point out: if JJ has over 50% equity vs. another hand heads-up, then it is likely that the other hand will fold at some point before showdown. Once the hand gets to showdown (depending on the betting action), the relative strength of an unimproved JJ goes down tremendously and is not as likely to win.

#1: I have no idea about this but hypothetically an ace may be more likely to appear on the turn than other cards in a HU pot because the 4 other players who folded pre didn't fold many aces (so there may be more in the deck than other cards), and the most common pots are between late position and blinds whose ranges are not particularly ace-heave themselves, or because of countless other reasons.

My point is that you can't just get numbers back and expect to understand if they're truly random/fair.

I'd also like to add to this request:

- Number of times a flush draw completes on the turn or river when there is one on the flop. Currently it's far too high.

- A comparison of the number of times higher VIP status players get 'premium' starting hands like AA or KK, and the number of 'good hands' (sets, flushes, straight etc) they flop compared to those of lower VIP status.

I'd also like to add to this request:

-a detailed chart comparing cashout and bad beat timings

- bra sizes of the complete female pokerstars staff


Yay, donkeystars went oldschool, did not see someone samefagging this hard for a while.

Yeah Astley, I registered that account in June just so I could make this thread now...

Get a grip son.

The idiotic writing style matches yours perfectly. That was you, 100%. You may be not as smart as you think.

If it was him then he would have already claimed that Stars sent him the stats and it showed it was rigged.

Give the donk a break, he cannot beat 2NL.

All the best.

How much do you want to escrow on this, then?

How do you plan on being paid since you will not say your user names.

Anyway, beat him in your heads up challenge first, and troll better in future. You had a good routine going with the absurd statements you retract (was funny watching people get all indignant about it as if libel charges would ever be filed).

Build on that troll routine, and move down to play money to get the best use of your valueless time in terms of EV. Just trying to help.

All the best.