Huntsman is definitely on the Stars payroll, I am convinced. He's here every day policing this thread for rigged comments.

reverse implied shill troll comment?

PokerStars - $2.85+$0.15|10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 25 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (BTN): 28 BB
SB: 22 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 A

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) T Q J
BB checks, Hero bets 4.85 BB, BB raises to 22 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 17.15 BB

Turn: (50.5 BB, 2 players) K

River: (50.5 BB, 2 players) 9

BB shows 7 Q (Straight, King High) (Pre 40%, Flop 46%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 6 A (Royal Flush) (Pre 60%, Flop 54%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 50.5 BB

Sure is nice to see a forum with reviews from actual online poker players. This rigged thread here is monitored hourly by affiliates, online employees, 2+2 mods. The others are here protecting their wallet which is attached to online poker in some way, doubtful they get paid to cloud the truth. If it wasnt rigged, they wouldnt waste their time in here.
Its obvious which forums reviews and answers you can believe and why. Those poker star reviews are real life, but they also apply to all other online sites.

FYP

And 5thStreetHog just pockets another $5.

Yep, 2+2 is known for having none of these at all.

"Actual online poker players", in that sentence, means "******s who can't win and refuse to improve", which now that I think of it 2+2 is also flush with.

"flush with"....i like that. i may switch up my "wrought with" to "flush with" if that doesen't lead to any legal plagiarism complications.

where do I sign up for the $5/post deal? I suck at poker so I may as well cash in on the shilling monies.

All you new shills, (huntsman), all the old, (ocatop, monteroy), should just give up. Pokerscout reviews confirms what the majority of players already know. There is nothing random about the deal, so its time to stop wasting your time.

Bro, you suck at poker. Get over it.

FYP. And already posted to Donkey about shilling for PS, but here is one (dreadfully played) for Fulltilt too just in case you want to extend my paid shilling to them too.

Full Tilt - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 94.88 BB (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 54.48 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
MP: 103.48 BB (VPIP: 12.22, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 94)
CO: 178.24 BB (VPIP: 20.09, PFR: 12.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 225)
BTN: 81.68 BB (VPIP: 10.20, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 51)
Hero (SB): 117.64 BB
BB: 81.2 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts penalty blind 0.4 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.8 BB) Hero has K A

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) Q J T
Hero bets 4 BB, UTG raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (25.4 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (25.4 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 25.4 BB, UTG calls 25.4 BB

Hero shows K A (Royal Flush) (Pre 69%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
UTG mucks J 5 (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives) (Pre 31%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 72.4 BB

i can hook you up with that deal. you need to send me the initial $100.00 employee processing fee. after that all the payments for your posts go directly to you... act now. don't delay.

Who?

Give him a break, your name has a lot of letters.

Dan Quayle gimmick, LDO.

Hello everyone,

I read this thread for a while now. Wow, there are a lot of smart people here! I can not even understand what many of you say.

I play poker since the 1950s so drunk I played seven-card stud, you would not believe. And I played tons of hold'em in playrooms worldwide.

I also tried this new thing online poker, and all I can say is that something seems off topic. The cards seem a little more ... lucky. As everyone has a hot seat.

Do you guys know of any sites where the cards come as a casino? It's not a huge deal either way, but I just love to enjoy the real authentic poker when I can not go out for game rooms.

Best,
Tom

I'll try to answer this as if it is a serious post and not a change of account from one of the trolls in this thread, even though for a first post this thread is an odd place to ask this question.

The reason is that you will get lots of people tell you it is all rigged and nowhere will give you a straight deal like B&M and a live dealer. They never have any prove other than random rig ideas or feelings based on hands they remember in recent memory etc.

I can't speak for all sites, as I've not played them all. The major ones I have seem ok based on the stats I've recorded from them. But the fact is that if you're not happy for whatever reason then I doubt anyone will convince you otherwise. Record stats over reasonable sample and see for yourself or don't play online if you want to believe it is not random.

Simple fact is while online poker has had the odd scandal for sure I've yet to see anyone prove any site to not have a random deal. Certainly not a major one, and their are MILLIONS of people recording every conceivable stat you can think of.

Hello huntsman41,

Thank you for responding to my post in a serious way, as I assure you, it is quite a serious post. I do not know exactly what it is you mean when you talk about "trolls", but I can tell you with certainty that this is the only account that I have had on this forum two plus two.

I do not see why it would be a "weird" place to ask my question, but my reasons for choosing this are twofold:

1) I can not make new threads yet, so far as I would have liked my question to have its own thread, it's just not possible at the moment.

2) I thought, reading a little about it before I created my own two plus two ad, it was a discussion about the randomness of the cards in online poker or "RNG" as many of you seem to take as reference.

I have not had other people tell me to this day, that "everything is fake and nowhere to give me a straight deal a B & H and a live dealer," but so many people were me reputible say such a thing, perhaps it would be considered proof that the agreement in online poker is not the same as live poker. Certainly demonstrate such a thing would be difficult, but I have the thing poker tracking and I thought that some of my statistics poker hand seemed strange.

If you can not speak for all sites, which ones you're talking to? I really need to find me a site that has a realistic simulator poker. What statistics do you have saved, and those are the "big ideas" of which you speak? It's not that I'm "unhappy" persay (I'm still enjoying the poker calculator online), it's just that I prefer a more realistic experience. I recorded some statistics poker hand, and they seem quite strange to me.

Best,
Tom

Fine then I'll continue to treat it as a serious one. A troll is someone that posts on forums to sow discourse and posts to disrupt a thread or topic for their own gratification. And various other reasons.

Random Number Generator.

Not sure who you count as reputable, or what their knowledge is for you to take their word for if something is the same or not. Online poker is different in feel than live play for many reasons, but the deal being random should not be one of those.

If you have stat tracking software, where are you playing? And what stats are you thinking are weird? It maybe that you are not reading the data right, as you would not be the first person to do that. So give some examples of stats you don't think look right.

I've played several over the years. First played on Ladbrokes site (I think), but only short time. Then I played on Fulltilt 2006-2011 and Pokerstars 2010-2011. Then took break late 2011 and have played again starting this year on Pokerstars.

I've also played on Partypoker, PKR and Skypoker, though none of them enough to give any advice on how good the site is for it's RNG etc. Can't say I was overly impressed with Skypokers one, but can't stat track there so take that with a pinch of salt.

As for what stats I track. Well ... all of them really. From how often you get certain hole cards to how often you make certain hands. Or how often you face certain flops with various hands. With filters you can use in pokertracker you can see just about anything you'd want to look at, and Holdem manager is the same. Though I've not used HEM as extensively and barely at all with HEM2.

Hello huntsman41,

Thank you very much for that. I was not aware of these "trolls" you speak of, and I thank you for telling me what it is you want to say. I do not know why anyone would do it, but I guess there are rapists and murderers in this world too that no one understands.

Oh yes, Random Number Generator, which I guess is what simulates the hands of poker sites online poker.

I do not know who I would count as trustworthy, while I do not say that, theoretically, if people were famous for saying I do not see the evidence of the agreement is not random know.

I have a tracking software statistics, and I play on 888 Poker. I think my stats are weird final hand. My opponents and I get more good hands than what would be expected in a random deal. That's why I think online, everyone has a seat "hot".

Thank you for giving me the story of your game. I notice you've never played poker at 888, so maybe 888 Poker is the only simulator with the strange.

Since you took so many statistics, perhaps you could post some shows that the agreement is totally random. I'll look at my stats on Poker Tracker and post what I think is weird.

thank you,
Tom

So the odds of poker hands are supposed to be:

Straight Flush: 0.0311%
Four of a Kind: 0.168%
Full House: 2.60%
Flush: 3.03%
Straight: 4.62%
Three of a Kind: 4.83%
Two pairs: 23.5%
Pair: 43.8%
No Pair: 17.4%

However, in my 38 979 888 poker hands, I got:

Straight Flush: 0.00%
Four of a Kind: 0.42%
Full House: 3.92%
Flush: 3.59%
Straight: 4.44%
Three of a Kind: 6.21%
Two pairs: 27.1%
Pair: 41.2%
No Pair: 13.1%

What did you expect to see, and what did you actually see ?

What is the thing that makes you suspect that all players are getting better hands than they should ?

I like how he filled out the "your 2+2 username" box on the registration page by typing "my2+2username"