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09-10-2014 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Oh, here we go again, Monteroy sitting in his parents basement with delusions of granduer...
You have a rich fantasy life. That is about all you have that is rich .



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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
The **** is 'Razz'? I'm talking about real poker here - NL cash.
Razz is a game of poker. Google it if you are not familiar with it. Some of the best people to back have been the niche game players which include Razz, Stud, and even Omaha (though that is a bit less niche by now). The skill advantage in these games dwarfs what you find in the game you play.

You are very limited (pun intended) with your outlook, and that is why you are at all things a sub-reg.



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They won't 'discover' anything, and even if they did they likely wouldn't care. No one does more than a couple of hours work a day round here and there's even people who openly play non-poker/gambling games while on their computers. As for 'performing', it really doesn't matter
Your life is basically a sub-reg handbook.

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Here's a tip for you - both the guy who spends the full 8 hours doing his work, and the guy who does the bare minimum just to scape by still get paid the same at the end of the month.
Nice that you always strive to be that guy that underperforms. That must come naturally to you by now, and yet when they do fire you then you will be the type that is shocked it happened.



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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Ah yes the good old 'I completely crush but my stats aren't tracked!'. As said by every losing player since online poker began.
My play does not matter to me, and as I said you are free to find me at the tables at your convenience. How much I make at the tables is trivial to me (and I would hardly call what I do as "crushing", but I do like that it is more than what you make!

Keep on with your sub-reg life, and good luck with the poll!


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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I still can't beat 2nl zoom on PS.com. What a joke of a site Stars is.

Heh, nanodonks...



All the best.
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09-10-2014 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You have a rich fantasy life. That is about all you have that is rich .
I was thinking just the same about you.

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Razz is a game of poker. Google it if you are not familiar with it. Some of the best people to back have been the niche game players which include Razz, Stud, and even Omaha (though that is a bit less niche by now). The skill advantage in these games dwarfs what you find in the game you play.
Lol at any other game than NL cash been worth talking about. Lol at you playing a game that must have a daily volume of about 20 people.

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Your life is basically a sub-reg handbook.



Nice that you always strive to be that guy that underperforms. That must come naturally to you by now, and yet when they do fire you then you will be the type that is shocked it happened.
Here's a work tip for you when your dad decides he's had enough of you sitting in your room eating cheetos and kicks you out of his house - you don't want to be seen to be doing too much. If 'they' see you are doing a lot of work, you'll get given more. Never act like you could be doing more either, always act like your schedule is completely full already. Because if it's not, they will give you more work.

In other words, doing the minimum is the nuts.

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My play does not matter to me, and as I said you are free to find me at the tables at your convenience. How much I make at the tables is trivial to me (and I would hardly call what I do as "crushing", but I do like that it is more than what you make!
Doubt you make anything considering 'Razz', whatever it is, probably has about 1 table running at peak times.
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09-10-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Guy didn't fold to my cbet...must be a calling station, amirite?
He sure as **** is not LAG you utter moron.

And yes, calling flop and turn is calling one cbet. I totally see that know. Again thanks for your genius. You could not be more moronic if you tried. Oh wait, yes you could - you could say Razz isn't poker, and you can't play it for cash. Bravo, best trolls yet!
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09-10-2014 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
He sure as **** is not LAG you utter moron.

And yes, calling flop and turn is calling one cbet. I totally see that know. Again thanks for your genius. You could not be more moronic if you tried. Oh wait, yes you could - you could say Razz isn't poker, and you can't play it for cash. Bravo, best trolls yet!
Why didn't you fold the river then, as villain outdrew you. Are you some kind of calling station or what?

Lol at how when villain calls with the worst hand, he's a station, but when you call with the worst hand, he's the donk that got lucky. Fold more rivers.

Yes you can play Razz for cash apparently, but it isn't poker. The only real poker is NL holdem cash.
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09-10-2014 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I was thinking just the same about you.
I suggest you stop obsessing over me and work on getting out of that sub-reg existence in some capacity.



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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Lol at any other game than NL cash been worth talking about. Lol at you playing a game that must have a daily volume of about 20 people.
LOL at your inability to see beyond the simple approach to the game in terms of selection and not understanding how to put money first.



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Here's a work tip for you when your dad decides he's had enough of you sitting in your room eating cheetos and kicks you out of his house - you don't want to be seen to be doing too much.
You really project others living in their parents house quite a bit as a defensive mechanism and as a form of rationalization of your relative failure at life. I understand the psychology behind that behavior from your kind, I just wish you were more entertaining doing it. Alas, sub-regs gonna sub-reg.

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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
If 'they' see you are doing a lot of work, you'll get given more. Never act like you could be doing more either, always act like your schedule is completely full already. Because if it's not, they will give you more work.

Heh, what a miserable existence. No wonder you murder time whenever you can and drink a lot.


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Doubt you make anything considering 'Razz', whatever it is, probably has about 1 table running at peak times.
About a dozen tables running between 1/2 and 5/10 currently. Another 8-10 tables below those limits running as well. Additionally about 40 different stud tables are active. Another LOLbad soul read on your part, as is part of your general approach to life. Not surprising you were too lazy to just open Stars to see how many were running before verbally spewing.


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In other words, doing the minimum is the nuts.
That is indeed the sub-reg's policy about life.


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The only real poker is NL holdem cash.
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I still can't beat 2nl zoom on PS.com. What a joke of a site Stars is.
Heh, nanodonks...


All the best.

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09-10-2014 , 11:44 AM
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Why didn't you fold the river then, as villain outdrew you. Are you some kind of calling station or what?

Lol at how when villain calls with the worst hand, he's a station, but when you call with the worst hand, he's the donk that got lucky. Fold more rivers.

Yes you can play Razz for cash apparently, but it isn't poker. The only real poker is NL holdem cash.
Have no desire to discuss the hands with you, as you are being a troll and I'm more than happy with how I played the hands.

You on the other hand keep showing yourself up and it's funny. The whole back-peddle over Razz now you realise it is a poker game and can be played for cash is funny. Thinking Holdem is the real form of poker is hilarious. I keep thinking you can't make more moronic statement, but you manage it post by post.

Gee I do hope they are just trolling or being you would be such a sad thing. Real poker players can play them all. Right now you are just a beginner. Hell, you should go tell Phil IVey to go give all his WSOP bracelets back, cus gee that dude didn't win one in a real game of poker. And he is a woeful player, right?
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09-10-2014 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I suggest you stop obsessing over me and work on getting out of that sub-reg existence in some capacity.
Quite happy with my life.
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LOL at your inability to see beyond the simple approach to the game in terms of selection and not understanding how to put money first.
Just LOL at 'Razz' been real poker. Just googled this so-called poker. No community cards? Make the lowest hand possible? What a load of BS.

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You really project others living in their parents house quite a bit as a defensive mechanism and as a form of rationalization of your relative failure at life. I understand the psychology behind that behavior from your kind, I just wish you were more entertaining doing it. Alas, sub-regs gonna sub-reg.
Your relative...err, absolute failure at making friends or having a girlfriend should concern you far more.

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Heh, what a miserable existence. No wonder you murder time whenever you can and drink a lot.
I don't drink 'a lot', and FWIW I have not had a single drink since Saturday.

And if you do more than the bare minimum you're just cheating yourself out of your own free time.

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About a dozen tables running between 1/2 and 5/10 currently. Another 8-10 tables below those limits running as well. Additionally about 40 different stud tables are active. Another LOLbad soul read on your part, as is part of your general approach to life. Not surprising you were too lazy to just open Stars to see how many were running before verbally spewing.
Lol 12 tables. Compared to how many for NLHE? The game is BS and the people have voted with their feet - which is why right now on the internet there's thousands of NLHE tables, while you'll struggle to crack 100 in Razz.
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09-10-2014 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Have no desire to discuss the hands with you, as you are being a troll and I'm more than happy with how I played the hands.

You on the other hand keep showing yourself up and it's funny. The whole back-peddle over Razz now you realise it is a poker game and can be played for cash is funny. Thinking Holdem is the real form of poker is hilarious. I keep thinking you can't make more moronic statement, but you manage it post by post.

Gee I do hope they are just trolling or being you would be such a sad thing. Real poker players can play them all. Right now you are just a beginner. Hell, you should go tell Phil IVey to go give all his WSOP bracelets back, cus gee that dude didn't win one in a real game of poker. And he is a woeful player, right?
There was no 'back pedal'. Razz isn't real poker as I see it, just like I don't see tournament NLHE as real poker. It's just glorified button clicking. The only game worth discussing is NLHE cash.

Anyway, station gonna station. I bet the villain in your hand was thinking 'gee, what a donk calling my river bet with his ****ty top pair. Just another station who can't find the fold button'.
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09-10-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
There was no 'back pedal'. Razz isn't real poker as I see it, just like I don't see tournament NLHE as real poker. It's just glorified button clicking. The only game worth discussing is NLHE cash.

Anyway, station gonna station. I bet the villain in your hand was thinking 'gee, what a donk calling my river bet with his ****ty top pair. Just another station who can't find the fold button'.
Yeah, stick with the simple game, it's about all you'll manage I expect. And yes, tournaments require no skill to be profitable in them... what were people thinking.

Yes, I made dreadful river calls on all three. That's what happened. Wow clearly you were there. I must have seen totally different hands to you, but grats on your genius guessing. /troll some more - I like it.

You must be having a bad month and taking your frustrations out here and passing off your game to others I guess. My turn to make guesses. lol
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09-10-2014 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Yeah, stick with the simple game, it's about all you'll manage I expect. And yes, tournaments require no skill to be profitable in them... what were people thinking.
That's basically it in a nutshell. Tournaments can be beaten using a hand chart and some tiny measure of common sense. Cash actually requires real skill.

And Razz from what I can see is just a case of 'zomg I haz 3 low cards I bet'.

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Yes, I made dreadful river calls on all three. That's what happened. Wow clearly you were there. I must have seen totally different hands to you, but grats on your genius guessing. /troll some more - I like it.
Must have been bad calls if villain won the pot.

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You must be having a bad month and taking your frustrations out here and passing off your game to others I guess. My turn to make guesses. lol
As already noted about an hour ago, I am currently breakeven this month (well, $7 up technically, just incase you're going to accuse me of using a very broad idea of 'break even' to explain losses). Not my best month ever so far, true...but there's still 20 days left and a lot can happen on the tables in that time.
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09-10-2014 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Must have been bad calls if villain won the pot.
Results oriented thinking again?
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09-10-2014 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
That's basically it in a nutshell. Tournaments can be beaten using a hand chart and some tiny measure of common sense. Cash actually requires real skill.

And Razz from what I can see is just a case of 'zomg I haz 3 low cards I bet'.



Must have been bad calls if villain won the pot.



As already noted about an hour ago, I am currently breakeven this month (well, $7 up technically, just incase you're going to accuse me of using a very broad idea of 'break even' to explain losses). Not my best month ever so far, true...but there's still 20 days left and a lot can happen on the tables in that time.
Sigh. KK vs A7. Makes trip 7's on river with no straight/flush possible on an 8 high board, and he was short-stacked at hand start. Folded TP with KQ at river when I decided flush was his likely hand. Last one I had nut straight on flop, and at turn, and on river he hit his gut-shot to make new nut straight. If I fold 2nd nuts at that point just shoot me.

Course you fold all 3 because you are a genius. Saw that in hands you posted the other day where you were behind each time yourself. Pot meet kettle.

As for your comments on tournaments. Like I said - more moronic with every post.
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09-10-2014 , 12:33 PM
Scoreboard... since DonkeyStars joined 2p2 (ignoring any other user name)

DonkeyStars posts in this thread:~152
Monteroy posts in this thread: ~105

Monteroy living the high life on that sweet sweet 2 posts per day money.
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09-10-2014 , 12:52 PM
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Sigh. KK vs A7. Makes trip 7's on river with no straight/flush possible on an 8 high board, and he was short-stacked at hand start. Folded TP with KQ at river when I decided flush was his likely hand. Last one I had nut straight on flop, and at turn, and on river he hit his gut-shot to make new nut straight. If I fold 2nd nuts at that point just shoot me.

Course you fold all 3 because you are a genius. Saw that in hands you posted the other day where you were behind each time yourself. Pot meet kettle.

As for your comments on tournaments. Like I said - more moronic with every post.
1) Assuming you were the PFR with KK, an 8 high board doesn't hit your range at all. I don't think calling two streets with a pair of 7's is at all bad on his part.

2) So you don't even know he got lucky in this hand because you folded? How do you know he didn't outplay you with the ace blocker?

3) Gotta learn to make these big river folds if you ever want poker to pay for your Miami penthouse and hookers and blow.

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Results oriented thinking again?
If you lost the pot it was a bad call, end of story.

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Monteroy living the high life on that sweet sweet 2 posts per day money.
He only wants us to think he lives the high life. But the 2 posts he makes in this thread per day don't represent the whole of his duties to Stars. He is camped in a few other threads, such as the one on the Probability forum concerning Stars been rigged. All posts he makes form part of his paycheck.
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09-10-2014 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Quite happy with my life.


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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
The only real poker is NL holdem cash. That's basically it in a nutshell. Tournaments can be beaten using a hand chart and some tiny measure of common sense. Cash actually requires real skill.
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I still can't beat 2nl zoom on PS.com. What a joke of a site Stars is.



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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
They won't 'discover' anything, and even if they did they likely wouldn't care. No one does more than a couple of hours work a day round here and there's even people who openly play non-poker/gambling games while on their computers. As for 'performing', it really doesn't matter. Here's a tip for you - both the guy who spends the full 8 hours doing his work, and the guy who does the bare minimum just to scape by still get paid the same at the end of the month.
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
you don't want to be seen to be doing too much. If 'they' see you are doing a lot of work, you'll get given more. Never act like you could be doing more either, always act like your schedule is completely full already. Because if it's not, they will give you more work.

In other words, doing the minimum is the nuts.




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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I don't drink 'a lot', and FWIW I have not had a single drink since Saturday.



Heh, sub-regs...


All the best.
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09-10-2014 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
1) Assuming you were the PFR with KK, an 8 high board doesn't hit your range at all. I don't think calling two streets with a pair of 7's is at all bad on his part.

2) So you don't even know he got lucky in this hand because you folded? How do you know he didn't outplay you with the ace blocker?

3) Gotta learn to make these big river folds if you ever want poker to pay for your Miami penthouse and hookers and blow.



If you lost the pot it was a bad call, end of story.

1. I don't begrudge his calls with A7 actually as he had a 7 and picked up a diamond draw on turn to go with it.

2. It is possible he bluffed me off indeed, and fair play to him if he did. But given the size of his river bet I doubt it was a bluff.

3. Shut up. You did this exact thing in a hand you posted in this thread that got posted to BBV and claimed the game was rigged to give coolers that you can't laydown.... just /trolling again.

None of this changes the fact the guy was a 50% hand playing calling station, nor that he got lucky on 3 rivers. My point was about luck and rigging. Not about if calls were bad or not. This my last comment on it, as said I wouldn't discuss them and got draw into it... grats on that bit of trolling too.
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09-10-2014 , 01:19 PM
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If you lost the pot it was a bad call, end of story.
That is the very definition of being short-term results oriented.

If we're heads up, and I have pocket aces, I'm the flat out 80% favorite to win the hand, meaning 4 out of 5 times, I'll win. If we get it all in pre-flop, you shove, and I call, and your QQ hits a Q on the flop giving you a set, and I lose the pot, I still made a good call.

The individual pot does not matter. The decision matters.
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09-10-2014 , 02:11 PM
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that sweet sweet
sounds like Jcarvio...
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09-10-2014 , 03:10 PM
Who?
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09-10-2014 , 11:17 PM
obv the only solution is HU4ROLLZ



edit- they have 2nl hu right?
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09-10-2014 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
1. I don't begrudge his calls with A7 actually as he had a 7 and picked up a diamond draw on turn to go with it.

2. It is possible he bluffed me off indeed, and fair play to him if he did. But given the size of his river bet I doubt it was a bluff.

3. Shut up. You did this exact thing in a hand you posted in this thread that got posted to BBV and claimed the game was rigged to give coolers that you can't laydown.... just /trolling again.

None of this changes the fact the guy was a 50% hand playing calling station, nor that he got lucky on 3 rivers. My point was about luck and rigging. Not about if calls were bad or not. This my last comment on it, as said I wouldn't discuss them and got draw into it... grats on that bit of trolling too.
'Luck' is a relative thing. He might say you were lucky to get dealt KK to begin with, or to flop top pair. It's just amusing when villain calls when behind, he's a station, yet when you do the same on the river (where the biggest bet is made), you're not the station, he's a donk that sucked out.

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That is the very definition of being short-term results oriented.

If we're heads up, and I have pocket aces, I'm the flat out 80% favorite to win the hand, meaning 4 out of 5 times, I'll win. If we get it all in pre-flop, you shove, and I call, and your QQ hits a Q on the flop giving you a set, and I lose the pot, I still made a good call.

The individual pot does not matter. The decision matters.
There's a big difference between getting money in the pot with 80% equity, then watching the board run out against you, than there is getting it in with 0% equity on the river.
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09-11-2014 , 06:31 AM
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There's a big difference between getting money in the pot with 80% equity, then watching the board run out against you, than there is getting it in with 0% equity on the river.
Yep we all make our calls based on the equity of the result.
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09-11-2014 , 07:39 AM
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Yep we all make our calls based on the equity of the result.
I believe in the hand being discussed, more money was called on the river after it was fairly obvious villain had drawn out and had him beat, or at least was representing that and could have. That was his point, and it was valid that this is totally different than getting it all in when we still had the equity advantage. The former would be a a bad call, the latter not.
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09-11-2014 , 09:26 AM
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I believe in the hand being discussed, more money was called on the river after it was fairly obvious villain had drawn out and had him beat, or at least was representing that and could have. That was his point, and it was valid that this is totally different than getting it all in when we still had the equity advantage. The former would be a a bad call, the latter not.
No, he was talking about his choice to make a call based on his expected outcome vs the price to call. His point was about the choice to call, not what the outcome is. You call if you expect the outcome to be in your favour over hundreds of calls in the same spot not a one off hand. So if you make a call you think is going to be a winning one more often than not it is a correct call even if you lose when you call this time.
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09-11-2014 , 10:42 AM
i just threw away broadway when an A on the riva paired the board, then threw away a full house when the board double-paired on the riva, suspecting a bigger boat. both were correct decisions as it turned out, since i saw what happened at showdown. you see, it was the rig tryina get me. yeah, see, tryin' real hard ta get me. but i fooled it....muahaa haa haa!

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