once when I had chocolate chip ice cream sandwiches in my cart at the store the person in line in front of me also had them. I found it very suspicious.

LOLOLOLOLOL cool story bro, keep living in your ignorant fantasy world where an unregulated casino industry can never ever possibly rig their game

I'm not the one in the fantasy world but thanks for playing.

You're a naive fool if you think YOU are the rational one believing that an unregulated industry, held accountable by no one, has no chance at all of ever being shady and skewing their results inside a database that no one has access to but them. You're pretty smart.

Yeah, there may be a few hundred people around here with 1M+ hand samples on FT. I'm sure a number of them have, on a whim, filtered their hands to determine what percentage of the time they get KK in v AA.

None has ever reported any statistically significant abnormality FWIW.

If only someone, somewhere, had access to like, I dunno, millions and millions of hands. That would be cool.

And then, only like, if they had somewhere, public like, to say, I dunno, post them so that everyone could see the actual numbers.

But, sigh, it's only a pipe dream since only the sites have these super sercret databases that no one can see.

When you have AA it's 50:50 whether or not the other guy has KK - he either has it or he doesn't. Learn poker moron.

When i say database, I'm talking the programming behind what makes FTP run, no one can ever get access to the coding until the industry actually becomes regulated.

Nobody is taking it at their word.

We just know that any rigging scheme would cause a reduction in the profitability of their business. Also, there's been zero credible evidence of any rigging.

Therefor, we're pretty sure it's not rigged.

So you mean to tell me that any time someone is dealt AA that there is a mathematical rule saying one or more out of the other 5 people at the table will also have KK?

OK...

Err, Ultimate Bet scandal? Granted not the type of rigging I'm talking about but still.

And no ones noticed any rigging because no one apparently bothers to look for it

Yeah, good thing Ultimate caught it from their database and let us...oh, wait...

Yep, no one. All the grinders out ther with millions of hands in their databases and no one looks for it. Good thing we have sucks at math to help us with the math. Uh by the way, where your math? You uh got any proof? Hand histories? Evidence? Hmmmm?

AQ is like 48/52 more or less depending on suits or w/e with 22

When playing live 22 holds up much more than it seems to online where 22 can hardly hold up

Just the main difference I notice when playing live vs on Pokerstars, the odds seem skewed where you will find your ahead 81%-19% on the flop and the river it will be 0%-100% and your left scratching your head how he pulled a two outer out of his ass

Are there any differences? Are the way the cards dealt really more or less random as if they were dealt live?

Good work Nancy Drew!

live poker is rigged obv

make this first post your last post please.

1)No

2)Yes

Well there's zero credible evidence of any current rigging.

I agree there were minor incidents in the past (the UB breach was minor relative to the scope of internet poker). And if no one apparently bothers to look for it, then how did the people cheating UB get caught? Players caught them and UB took action. Everybody's constantly looking for it, it's part of playing poker, it's why this thread exists.

I'm always ready to recognize suspicious activity and I'm always checking my database to check the frequencies of being dealt certain holecards or hitting certain draws, I think that's everyone's personal responsibility. In like 8 years I haven't seen anything suspicious, just a few cases of people colluding, that's it.

UB didn't profit from their breach either, they were hurt by it, badly.

Yes, no one here has ever looked into their hand histories or datamined hands to check for rigging, we all just go "derp derp derp, can't happen durrrrrrrrrrrrrr" while all the lovely riggies tell us that it's rigged.

To paraphrase Wiki from before, if someone shoots you in the head, we don't need to see the gun that did it to know you were shot.
You really must suck at math, I'll explain it to you. When you're dealt AA, either someone at the table will get dealt KK, or they won't. There are only two possibilities, so it's a coinflip. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

You're right, until you made your thread that was merged, no one had ever though "holy **** AA and KK get dealt too often!" and thus had never checked. Now that you've shed light on this devious plot (and one that's so sneaky I'm impressed you spotted it using just your eyes!), we can all combine databases and see once and for all that AA and KK get dealt too often and the sites are rigged.

Our next step will be figuring out how dealing coolers like AA vs. KK benefits the sites, since as of now it doesn't.

You know, this may be the best evidence that it is rigged after all. Not only did you get the boomswitch but the programmers know that most hardcore grinders have no idea what to do when the ladies show up so they conviently avoided that situation altogether

Technically a computer itself can't be truly "random", but for all intensive purposes, yes it is random, and no, it is not rigged. Remember that while playing online, you say many, many more hands per hour and thus are that many times more likely to all in during that same time frame, and so more likely to lose more all ins. And the human brain tends to remember the losses much more than the wins

sam's the new tail puller i see..

D'oh

Don't say: For all intensive purposes | Do say: For all intents and purposes

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