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Old 04-16-2009, 01:38 PM   #2251
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A friend of mine (who poasts here A LOT) had a hand against one of a site's pros the other day.

She opened, he flatted OTB w/77

flop was A 7 X - rainbow, I believe.

she leads, he just calls again.

turn is a 5, she checks, he bets, she shoves

she has A5o and his set holds up.

he didn't hit a miracle river, he was ahead the whole time. now why would they let that happen to one of their players? was she late for work recently? didn't sing "happy birthday" loud enough at an office party?

any wild speculation?
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:42 PM   #2252
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I was going by this I didnt bother to properly check his HH.
Ah, so even when evidence is easily available, you prefer to just spout random nonsense.

Good to know.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:45 PM   #2253
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A friend of mine (who poasts here A LOT) had a hand against one of a site's pros the other day.

She opened, he flatted OTB w/77

flop was A 7 X - rainbow, I believe.

she leads, he just calls again.

turn is a 5, she checks, he bets, she shoves

she has A5o and his set holds up.

he didn't hit a miracle river, he was ahead the whole time. now why would they let that happen to one of their players? was she late for work recently? didn't sing "happy birthday" loud enough at an office party?

any wild speculation?
Can you fix those "he" "she" parts, its kind of confusing.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:56 PM   #2254
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There s a flaw in using the lottery as an example. The lottery is just a lucky draw whereas poker is a skill game with an element of luck, the two are not comparable.
Well, the guy complaining used a lack of skill to get into his situations, but that is not really the point.

The scenarios are quite similar. When something semi strange happens, people notice and assign beliefs to the event even when strange events have to happen as part of any random system.

Frankly, this guy's situation is not even that bizarre, he played 2 hands badly in the same way. All it showed was he does not learn much from his mistakes.

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If someone from the same small town won the lottery for a few weeks in a row you could say something is up.
That would be an example of flawed logic and thinking, and it pretty much sums up why you are basically a standard rigtard.



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Well Ive never seen anyone say that but I would disagree with anyone who did so NO!

I thought I answered you last time on this. I believe that small stacks are helped out in cash games not tournaments.

Incase you missed that NO NO NO.

See, now this is interesting. You dismiss another rigged theory even though it is based on the exact same methodology, basically people who have seen something happen a lot and know something is wrong.

Yet you use the same method of gathering "data" and genuinely wonder why people basically say NO NO NO to your theories.

You are entitled to any beliefs you like, my only suggestion to you is that you start using better rigged theory selection. At least choose ones that do not directly contradict other common rigged theories, and choose ones that cannot be easily disproven (ie: the everyone breaks even theory)

Better rigged theory selection will lead to more fun arguments on your side. I suggest starting easy with flush draws hit too much then working up to stuff like deposit/withdraw and new player curses/benefits.

All the best.
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Can you fix those "he" "she" parts, its kind of confusing.
they're correct - what, you don't think a girl could be a pro?
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Can you fix those "he" "she" parts, its kind of confusing.
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A friend of mine (who poasts here A LOT) had a hand against one of a site's pros the other day.

Site pro opened, friend flatted OTB w/77

flop was A 7 X - rainbow, I believe.

site pro leads, friend just calls again.

turn is a 5, site pro checks, friend bets, site pro shoves

site pro has A5o and friend's set holds up.

friend didn't hit a miracle river, he was ahead the whole time. now why would they let that happen to one of their players? was she late for work recently? didn't sing "happy birthday" loud enough at an office party?

any wild speculation?
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:03 PM   #2257
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Ive Heard people online saying poker is rigged i never paid much attention.
Now my attitude has changed ive gone fron being a BIG winner at low/mid stakes STTs ($10/$20/$50) with an ROI of 23% over the last 2 years to a losing player break even at most,What changed varience no i opened a new account closed other why for screen name change silly i know but i have played 40/80 stts very day for the last 2 mouths on new account and will a hand hold never 95% bad beats in the stts i am now close to quitting.

A freind who i have met through poker forums and playing cash games has told me no matter what hand hes playing he losses only apx 5% of time he opened an account with $100 and now 12 tables 50/1 1/2 2/4 nl.
he tells me he makes himself lose as not to attract attention i have seen his last 5 played hands yesterday at 2/4 as i never belived him true to his word he is goin in on crazy **** ie 75off for buy ins and not losing he is no super user but tells me he thought he was running good at first but now makes thousands.

Make of it what u will but all 100 percent true.is your account selected to be the next internet success story
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:11 PM   #2258
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Better rigged theory selection will lead to more fun arguments on your side. I suggest starting easy with flush draws hit too much then working up to stuff like deposit/withdraw and new player curses/benefits.

The super advanced class will cover patterns and timing.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:13 PM   #2259
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A freind who i have met through poker forums and playing cash games has told me no matter what hand hes playing he losses only apx 5% of time
your friend just lost his goldern account, I can tell ya that.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:23 PM   #2261
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Ive Heard people online saying poker is rigged i never paid much attention.
Now my attitude has changed ive gone fron being a BIG winner at low/mid stakes STTs ($10/$20/$50) with an ROI of 23% over the last 2 years to a losing player break even at most,What changed varience no i opened a new account closed other why for screen name change silly i know but i have played 40/80 stts very day for the last 2 mouths on new account and will a hand hold never 95% bad beats in the stts i am now close to quitting.

A freind who i have met through poker forums and playing cash games has told me no matter what hand hes playing he losses only apx 5% of time he opened an account with $100 and now 12 tables 50/1 1/2 2/4 nl.
he tells me he makes himself lose as not to attract attention i have seen his last 5 played hands yesterday at 2/4 as i never belived him true to his word he is goin in on crazy **** ie 75off for buy ins and not losing he is no super user but tells me he thought he was running good at first but now makes thousands.

Make of it what u will but all 100 percent true.is your account selected to be the next internet success story
Thats why i posted before that not everyone can win at online poker. Look at durrrr. Many may say that hes a genius or what ever .. But i dont think that its profitable in the long run to go all in with a 6 high flush draws after flop.
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This comic is so perfect for this thread it's ridiculous.

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its maybe a lol but not a rofl
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its maybe a lol but not a rofl
maybe i decide should lol or rofl ?
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lough is rigged
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:42 PM   #2268
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Rigtard: OMG, he just hit a 1-outer. That's impossible! It's so low percentage!

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Old 04-16-2009, 02:50 PM   #2269
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:-| I dont get it .. Hes not posting about how he played the one hand or another, hes just saying that he got the same hand 2 times and got it beaten by the same hand.
Thank you for posting something on topic. I agree I played that hands poorly. That is not at all the point. I felt like gambling in a 4 way pot the first hand and curiosity took over and made me call the second hand. Funny how quickly you guys are trying to derail this improbable event with me "playing bad"
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Old 04-16-2009, 03:03 PM   #2270
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Unlikely, sure. Impossible - of course not.

You kind of said what the issue was without intention, basically you losing two hands. That tends to set off all sorts of paranoid thoughts in some, and thus a new rigged theory is born.

The other day I lost 6 off 6 all ins heads up vs an opponent in a sit and go. 1 coin flip, 2 hands like AJ vs KQ, and 3 times when I was dominating. He kept apologizing and I jokingly said it would be nice if he was the favorite at least once.

These things happen and they stand out when they do, but to leap to "RNG rigged" is a huge step that does not actually match the logic of the scenario.

- It requires the RnG to be rigged against YOU. That seems a bit much.

- It implies that any time a couple similar hands are dealt in the same time period that proves it is rigged. That's silly. Had you won either hand or if they were dealt an hour apart you probably would not notice as much.


You are doing what a lot of conspiracy guys do, taking unrelated bits of data and creating a grand unification theory. Reality tends to be simpler

- Odd sequence of 2 hands dealt which was only noticed because you vastly overplayed your basically one way hand each time


And scooper, you still have yet to comment on the rigged beliefs that sites help the short stacks in tournaments. One of the guys who posted a rambling manifesto the other day basically suggested that a few times.

Is that rigged theory valid? Yes or no. Odd how you continue to ignore this simple question.
The issue was never me losing a couple dollars on hands I decided to gamble with. I'm a big boy and take my losses well, especially when it's a result of poor play. Honestly I would gladly have paid 40 bucks to have this freak occurrence happen.
You can compare what happened to me with a couple of holdem hands where you won as an underdog but in reality the probabilities are many orders in magnitude difference.
I love how you said I think it is rigged against me. Where did I say such things. All is said was maybe it's not a perfect or truly random system.
Also how am I using unrelated bits of data in any way?
I gave you 2 hands that happened simultaneously where the whole cards were identical for both me and villain. Unrelated? Please....
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You can compare what happened to me with a couple of holdem hands where you won as an underdog but in reality the probabilities are many orders in magnitude difference.
Got math to prove it? If not, thanks for your time.
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so all the newbs here lately signed up 'cause they googled "online poker is rigged" and this is where they landed?
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I was listening a podcast weekly, and reading all kinds of threads magazine etc. But i never registered here (dunno why). But when i was reading this thread, i decided tthat i can express my opinion as well. Then i got invoulved into discussions with pwq or that ever his nickname is and here i am. :-). Anyway... I am posting on other threads as well. And i am having a good time on this thread no matter what u think or what u say :P
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I gave you 2 hands that happened simultaneously where the whole cards were identical for both me and villain. Unrelated? Please....
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PokerStars Game #27144826208: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/04/16 4:16:08 ET
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [6c 2c Ad 7s]
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kd As]
*** TURN *** [Tc Kd As] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Kd As Qd] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
singerboy1: shows [2h 5c 8h 3d] (HI: a pair of Eights)
uwilgetbroke: shows [Ac Js Ah 4d] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)


PokerStars Game #27144828987: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/04/16 4:16:22 ET
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [2h As 6s 7d]
*** FLOP *** [9c Jd 9s]
*** TURN *** [9c Jd 9s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [9c Jd 9s 8d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
icecrmking: shows [Ac 4c Ah Jh] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Nines)
Phunbaba23: mucks hand
I don't think you know what "identical" means.
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