The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
01-20-2015
, 12:35 AM
I'm JorgeLorenzo and I can't stop talking about quantum mechanics and how people are incorrectly applying it to try to randomly deal "cards" for poker games by not turning the laser off and then back on regularly to reset it:
And I'm meathead JorgeLorenzo and I can't stop saying brah, brah:
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The RNG functions because of quantum variation (reflection/non-reflection) - something nobody on earth ever has (or likely ever will) be able to fully understand (Einstein, Bohr, everyone since are still like what the holy good spooky distance?). This makes it TRULY random. Pokerstars use the word "entropy" to describe further "back-up randomness" with regards the RNG, however, entropy explicitly means chaos or disorder, when in fact the input sources (e.g. player mouse clicks) are part of a larger quantum system. Ironically further inputs to the basis quantum events may add order to chaos for one classical and one quantum reason.
Classical - humans are creatures of habit. Mouse clicks follow definite patterns for individual players (fold quickly, take your time, etc) and on a biological level, the absolute variation in clicks is defined by the range of finger movements and thought processes (also hardware, software and internet).
Quantum - There are AT LEAST 7 dimensions, I think infinite dimensions and/or parallel universes (these are "facts" any astrophysicist or theoretical physicist (inc Einstein) will be willing to offer you).
When an electron orbits a nucleus (electrons may be considered as pure energy, even though they have mass - photons, of course, are pure, mass-less energy and freely interchangeable with electrons AND mass), the electron occupies ALL space within it's orbit (and variants caused by atomic vibration, space-time distortions (gravity)). This is impossible. There would have to be many trillions of electrons to occupy all of the possible spaces in the orbit, yet it remains a fact that electrons exist as a particle of both mass AND charge in more than one place at the SAME TIME. Photons and electrons are omnipresent. Bizarre beyond belief. Right now, the energy (photons/mass) created in the source event (big bang) are still entangled across all time and space - space-time is a fluid fabric which can bend, distort and even travel from infinity and back, infinite times per nanosecond. I must stress again these facts are NOT scientifically in question, rather, they ARE science as we best know it. I haven't even got to the mind-blowing bit. The omnipresence of matter is predictable and most easily described by alpha particles (2 protons, 2 neutrons) escaping from heavy nuclides by mysteriously "tunnelling" through insurmountable barriers. This of course describes the radiation we all know from Uranium/Plutonium/Potassium etc so it's beyond question (observable science, e.g. Newton's Apple, even if we don't understand it). The only reasonable explanation for these phenomena (quantum mechanical tunnelling, i.e. "borrowed" energy) is alternate dimensions. Electons, photons, stuff generally it seems, exists in infinite dimensions and only becomes "real", i.e. physical or realised in our 4 dimensions (time is the 4th) when we observe it.
This blew Einstein's mind and is one of the few things he ever got wrong (as well as taking a quanta as X/YZ^4 instead of log f(x), I mean what a moron!). Einstein was convinced matter was "pre-ordered", whereas his colleague Bohr (as in Bohr Radius) was equally convinced the state of matter (Schrodinger's cat) wasn't defined until we observed it. Einstein's view:- You have 2 gloves, left and right. You place the left glove in one box, the right in the other. Even if you do not know which box is which, the left glove was always in one box, the right glove in the other. WRONG! Bohr's view: - The cat in the box is alive, dead and every possible interim, until we open the box and find out - i.e. at the quantum level, the gloves in Einstein's boxes are both left AND right until we make a definitive assessment. This has been proven by experiment at least twice now and that experiment in itself is another 300000000000 words. The neatest way to sum it up is Einstein's now famous phrase, "spooky action at a distance".
So, I assume we are somewhat up to speed now and capable of grasping the profoundness of what I am about to say:
The photons emitted by the LASER of the RNG are entangled through space, time and infinite dimensions. They are sharing information with some, if not all, of the past, present and future photons from the common source (the precise moment the laser was turned on, remember, when the lasing material activates, all excited photons are simultaneously and spontaneously identical (coherent, in phase, constructive interference) within every atom of the lasing material). Even released as singularities photons may "multiply" (Young's double slit experiment) and share both cause AND effect with PAST and FUTURE photons. THUS, it is entirely logical and reasonable to postulate that the entangled sum of cause and effect leads to outcomes not described by computer model (i.e. Gaussian distribution), indeed this property is not only assumed but incorporated as a virtue of the quantum RNG over a classical RNG (that quantum events cannot be described by CPU modelling, not the entangled sum of cause and effect).
So in the simplest possible laymen's terms (which you didn't want but are now desperate for), the initial outcomes from the first hand of poker played using the quantum RNG are related to all future outcomes from the same continuous LASER source due to quantum entanglement. Therefore some players always run good, especially against certain opponents, and others always run bad, especially against certain opponents, and this phenomenon will perpetuate until the quantum cycle of entanglement is broken by providing a different catalyst (fresh electrons from a discrete stream) to the LASER governing the RNG.
I hope that clarifies things for you
Classical - humans are creatures of habit. Mouse clicks follow definite patterns for individual players (fold quickly, take your time, etc) and on a biological level, the absolute variation in clicks is defined by the range of finger movements and thought processes (also hardware, software and internet).
Quantum - There are AT LEAST 7 dimensions, I think infinite dimensions and/or parallel universes (these are "facts" any astrophysicist or theoretical physicist (inc Einstein) will be willing to offer you).
When an electron orbits a nucleus (electrons may be considered as pure energy, even though they have mass - photons, of course, are pure, mass-less energy and freely interchangeable with electrons AND mass), the electron occupies ALL space within it's orbit (and variants caused by atomic vibration, space-time distortions (gravity)). This is impossible. There would have to be many trillions of electrons to occupy all of the possible spaces in the orbit, yet it remains a fact that electrons exist as a particle of both mass AND charge in more than one place at the SAME TIME. Photons and electrons are omnipresent. Bizarre beyond belief. Right now, the energy (photons/mass) created in the source event (big bang) are still entangled across all time and space - space-time is a fluid fabric which can bend, distort and even travel from infinity and back, infinite times per nanosecond. I must stress again these facts are NOT scientifically in question, rather, they ARE science as we best know it. I haven't even got to the mind-blowing bit. The omnipresence of matter is predictable and most easily described by alpha particles (2 protons, 2 neutrons) escaping from heavy nuclides by mysteriously "tunnelling" through insurmountable barriers. This of course describes the radiation we all know from Uranium/Plutonium/Potassium etc so it's beyond question (observable science, e.g. Newton's Apple, even if we don't understand it). The only reasonable explanation for these phenomena (quantum mechanical tunnelling, i.e. "borrowed" energy) is alternate dimensions. Electons, photons, stuff generally it seems, exists in infinite dimensions and only becomes "real", i.e. physical or realised in our 4 dimensions (time is the 4th) when we observe it.
This blew Einstein's mind and is one of the few things he ever got wrong (as well as taking a quanta as X/YZ^4 instead of log f(x), I mean what a moron!). Einstein was convinced matter was "pre-ordered", whereas his colleague Bohr (as in Bohr Radius) was equally convinced the state of matter (Schrodinger's cat) wasn't defined until we observed it. Einstein's view:- You have 2 gloves, left and right. You place the left glove in one box, the right in the other. Even if you do not know which box is which, the left glove was always in one box, the right glove in the other. WRONG! Bohr's view: - The cat in the box is alive, dead and every possible interim, until we open the box and find out - i.e. at the quantum level, the gloves in Einstein's boxes are both left AND right until we make a definitive assessment. This has been proven by experiment at least twice now and that experiment in itself is another 300000000000 words. The neatest way to sum it up is Einstein's now famous phrase, "spooky action at a distance".
So, I assume we are somewhat up to speed now and capable of grasping the profoundness of what I am about to say:
The photons emitted by the LASER of the RNG are entangled through space, time and infinite dimensions. They are sharing information with some, if not all, of the past, present and future photons from the common source (the precise moment the laser was turned on, remember, when the lasing material activates, all excited photons are simultaneously and spontaneously identical (coherent, in phase, constructive interference) within every atom of the lasing material). Even released as singularities photons may "multiply" (Young's double slit experiment) and share both cause AND effect with PAST and FUTURE photons. THUS, it is entirely logical and reasonable to postulate that the entangled sum of cause and effect leads to outcomes not described by computer model (i.e. Gaussian distribution), indeed this property is not only assumed but incorporated as a virtue of the quantum RNG over a classical RNG (that quantum events cannot be described by CPU modelling, not the entangled sum of cause and effect).
So in the simplest possible laymen's terms (which you didn't want but are now desperate for), the initial outcomes from the first hand of poker played using the quantum RNG are related to all future outcomes from the same continuous LASER source due to quantum entanglement. Therefore some players always run good, especially against certain opponents, and others always run bad, especially against certain opponents, and this phenomenon will perpetuate until the quantum cycle of entanglement is broken by providing a different catalyst (fresh electrons from a discrete stream) to the LASER governing the RNG.
I hope that clarifies things for you
And I'm meathead JorgeLorenzo and I can't stop saying brah, brah:
Last edited by Lego05; 01-20-2015 at 12:41 AM.
01-20-2015
, 12:58 AM
01-20-2015
, 01:32 AM
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And I'm meathead JorgeLorenzo and I can't stop saying brah, brah:
Again turning the laser off and on periodically or providing virtually continuous service using the back-up laser (which surely exists if a lasing failure shuts down the cash machine), does not seem an unreasonable precaution. While arguably nobody will ever be in a position to completely define a quantum system of this size and it is quite true that my hypothesis by definition can never be "proven" - even if I got all predictions correct I would be wrong about precisely why I was right - the theory or some extrapolation thereof, is entirely legitimate. It is certain that running the same laser continuously for several years created a unique quantum system that by some peculiar vice of the universe, shares information with past, present and future.
The unique dataset created should be made available to the scientific community. We wouldn't need personal details other than location, all subjects would be assigned numerically thereafter (GB 321019, Ru 502012, etc) but it will never happen. There is no inherent monetary or IPR value in the raw data so there is no reason why it should be denied. Indeed the dataset should be subject to oversight by those that play on stars as it is only they that own their histories and details. We all loan the dataset to stars gratis. Well OK, not really free - stars have a bunker full of servers and secure storage containing every hand ever played. Only 3-4 persons have access to that data (according to stars head of security in the Isle of Man) and while it costs a pretty penny, it is of course customers who ultimately paid for it.
Anyway, turning the laser on and off at the lowest inflection point of traffic or using a back-up for continuous service, would break the entangled chains that most definitely DO exist now (and will exist again after a re-start in different form). The point would be to standardise running between opponents and games, removing the possibility that past and present results are related or at least ensuring that any correlations are temporary in nature. A daily re-set would end any speculation from me that quantum entanglement causes running to bleed over days or weeks.
01-20-2015
, 01:37 AM
Google, "quantis true quantum RNG pokerstars", and read all about the laser, maybe even watch the video brah, heck I see a cpl of posts about it ITT
01-20-2015
, 01:38 AM
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I'm the JorgeLorenzo who shows reverence for science and those with witty comments
I show less reverence to others at times but I'm guessing most of my "brah" comments are written while drinking beer and watching sport
Again turning the laser off and on periodically or providing virtually continuous service using the back-up laser (which surely exists if a lasing failure shuts down the cash machine), does not seem an unreasonable precaution. While arguably nobody will ever be in a position to completely define a quantum system of this size and it is quite true that my hypothesis by definition can never be "proven" - even if I got all predictions correct I would be wrong about precisely why I was right - the theory or some extrapolation thereof, is entirely legitimate. It is certain that running the same laser continuously for several years created a unique quantum system that by some peculiar vice of the universe, shares information with past, present and future.
The unique dataset created should be made available to the scientific community. We wouldn't need personal details other than location, all subjects would be assigned numerically thereafter (GB 321019, Ru 502012, etc) but it will never happen. There is no inherent monetary or IPR value in the raw data so there is no reason why it should be denied. Indeed the dataset should be subject to oversight by those that play on stars as it is only they that own their histories and details. We all loan the dataset to stars gratis. Well OK, not really free - stars have a bunker full of servers and secure storage containing every hand ever played. Only 3-4 persons have access to that data (according to stars head of security in the Isle of Man) and while it costs a pretty penny, it is of course customers who ultimately paid for it.
Anyway, turning the laser on and off at the lowest inflection point of traffic or using a back-up for continuous service, would break the entangled chains that most definitely DO exist now (and will exist again after a re-start in different form). The point would be to standardise running between opponents and games, removing the possibility that past and present results are related or at least ensuring that any correlations are temporary in nature. A daily re-set would end any speculation from me that quantum entanglement causes running to bleed over days or weeks.
I show less reverence to others at times but I'm guessing most of my "brah" comments are written while drinking beer and watching sport
Again turning the laser off and on periodically or providing virtually continuous service using the back-up laser (which surely exists if a lasing failure shuts down the cash machine), does not seem an unreasonable precaution. While arguably nobody will ever be in a position to completely define a quantum system of this size and it is quite true that my hypothesis by definition can never be "proven" - even if I got all predictions correct I would be wrong about precisely why I was right - the theory or some extrapolation thereof, is entirely legitimate. It is certain that running the same laser continuously for several years created a unique quantum system that by some peculiar vice of the universe, shares information with past, present and future.
The unique dataset created should be made available to the scientific community. We wouldn't need personal details other than location, all subjects would be assigned numerically thereafter (GB 321019, Ru 502012, etc) but it will never happen. There is no inherent monetary or IPR value in the raw data so there is no reason why it should be denied. Indeed the dataset should be subject to oversight by those that play on stars as it is only they that own their histories and details. We all loan the dataset to stars gratis. Well OK, not really free - stars have a bunker full of servers and secure storage containing every hand ever played. Only 3-4 persons have access to that data (according to stars head of security in the Isle of Man) and while it costs a pretty penny, it is of course customers who ultimately paid for it.
Anyway, turning the laser on and off at the lowest inflection point of traffic or using a back-up for continuous service, would break the entangled chains that most definitely DO exist now (and will exist again after a re-start in different form). The point would be to standardise running between opponents and games, removing the possibility that past and present results are related or at least ensuring that any correlations are temporary in nature. A daily re-set would end any speculation from me that quantum entanglement causes running to bleed over days or weeks.
Was just a joke.
It is a parody of a current running commercial. Watch the below youtube link and you'll understand my post (sorry for no imbed - I always forget how to do that ---- Could somebody please imbed this link for me; thanks).
Last edited by Bobo Fett; 01-20-2015 at 02:31 AM.
Reason: I learned something too - apparently "imbed" is also correct. But still, all the cool people say "embed". :-p
01-20-2015
, 01:42 AM
01-20-2015
, 07:21 AM
And you're welcome. Hopefully my explanation made sense and now you'll be an embedding pro.
If you ever forget how it's done, there's a sticky in ATF about posting pictures and videos that has Youtube embedding instructions as well.
