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01-20-2015 , 06:22 PM
I had a sandwich for lunch.

It was tasty.
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01-20-2015 , 07:16 PM
simple question. Who does rig benefit? I have been 1 and 2 outed by many many different players in .10/.25 games with 15.00 pots. Are ALL these players working for the site? Why take a chance rigging all these small pots for a few dollars when there are so many other bigger games. The difference is pretty simple, **** happens! in live games you are at 1 table and not playing as many hands. site poker you are playing multi table and playing more hands so you see more bad beat just cause of the volume of hands that are deal.
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01-20-2015 , 11:08 PM
Heads up hypers are the craziest pos i recorded my last 1000 hands all in preflop that i was ahead preflop heads up hypers... I lost 722 and won 278 of those hands. I know that is a small sample size but still that **** cant be true... out of those 722 loses 395 i was 3 outed 170 2 outed and even 1 outed 76 times lol. I only recorded the last 1000 because before that i was getting bad beat after bad beat and knew it couldnt be right. Heads up hypers are an addiction like black jack for me. I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them. Its just sickening getting it in so solid game after game and losing every single time. I win so much in cash and 6 maxs and then spew so much in heads up it really is making me lose my mind. I dont know what to do anymore. I stopped them for about 2 weeks last month for the first time in like 6 years and it felt good not playing them and then like a junkie boom back at it
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01-21-2015 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DEGANFOREVER
Heads up hypers are the craziest pos i recorded my last 1000 hands all in preflop that i was ahead preflop heads up hypers... I lost 722 and won 278 of those hands. I know that is a small sample size but still that **** cant be true... out of those 722 loses 395 i was 3 outed 170 2 outed and even 1 outed 76 times lol.
Wow, that is pretty crazy. Post that data please.
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01-21-2015 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I had a sandwich for lunch.

It was tasty.
You should try the paninis they serve at the annual shill convention in Cannes.

They're rigged for tastiness.
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01-21-2015 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DEGANFOREVER
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them.
At least you chose a good username. Keep playing, the regs need you
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01-21-2015 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Wow, that is pretty crazy. Post that data please.
+1

DEGANFOREVER, your definition of an out may be different to other players'.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-21-2015 at 07:32 AM.
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01-21-2015 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DEGANFOREVER
Heads up hypers are the craziest pos i recorded my last 1000 hands all in preflop that i was ahead preflop heads up hypers... I lost 722 and won 278 of those hands. I know that is a small sample size but still that **** cant be true... out of those 722 loses 395 i was 3 outed 170 2 outed and even 1 outed 76 times lol. I only recorded the last 1000 because before that i was getting bad beat after bad beat and knew it couldnt be right. Heads up hypers are an addiction like black jack for me. I know i will never beat them but just cant stop playing them. Its just sickening getting it in so solid game after game and losing every single time. I win so much in cash and 6 maxs and then spew so much in heads up it really is making me lose my mind. I dont know what to do anymore. I stopped them for about 2 weeks last month for the first time in like 6 years and it felt good not playing them and then like a junkie boom back at it
Assuming this is on Pokerstars (where we can get zipped HHs from them for specific dates on request) - this would very likely qualify for the reward I have offered for years if it is actually true, so your next step is that we arrange that your database of hands be studied to confirm this.

If nothing else you should at least post all of the 1 outer hands in an unconverted manner so they can be verified, as I cannot think of any player I know who has been 1 outed as many times in their life as apparently you have been in the recent past, so those 76 specific 1 outer hands (all within a relatively tight time frame) will inspire the entire riggie culture if they actually exist.

Obviously nobody expects any easy to provide data from you, since you made up all this stuff, but one should always ask.

All the best.
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01-21-2015 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Assuming this is on Pokerstars (where we can get zipped HHs from them for specific dates on request) - this would very likely qualify for the reward I have offered for years
For the first time I am truly looking forward to your reply - WHAT REWARD?
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01-21-2015 , 10:43 AM
Many of us "shills" at one time or another have offered to pay someone if they can provide any actual real evidence of a rig.

This requires that the person claiming the rig provide a full hand history database, which inevitably leads to the riggie claiming that we just want their database so we can learn their game.
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01-21-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
For the first time I am truly looking forward to your reply - WHAT REWARD?
Search this thread for the word "reward" in Monteroy's posts.

You'll find, for instance:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=69205
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01-21-2015 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
At least you chose a good username. Keep playing, the regs need you
Actually, I thought it was a pretty terrible user name - I can't figure out if he's trying to tell us he's a vegan, or a degen.

Unless he's a vegan degenerate...then it's an awesome name.
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01-22-2015 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sandydell
simple question. Who does rig benefit? I have been 1 and 2 outed by many many different players in .10/.25 games with 15.00 pots. Are ALL these players working for the site? Why take a chance rigging all these small pots for a few dollars when there are so many other bigger games. The difference is pretty simple, **** happens! in live games you are at 1 table and not playing as many hands. site poker you are playing multi table and playing more hands so you see more bad beat just cause of the volume of hands that are deal.
Are you really that simple?

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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
Many of us "shills" at one time or another have offered to pay someone if they can provide any actual real evidence of a rig.

This requires that the person claiming the rig provide a full hand history database, which inevitably leads to the riggie claiming that we just want their database so we can learn their game.
While you look for that 'good boy" from the industry people working in here, tell us how random betcoin poker is, please!
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01-22-2015 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DEGANFOREVER
Heads up hypers are the craziest pos i recorded my last 1000 hands all in preflop that i was ahead preflop heads up hypers... I lost 722 and won 278 of those hands. I know that is a small sample size but still that **** cant be true... out of those 722 loses 395 i was 3 outed 170 2 outed and even 1 outed 76 times lol.
Hate to inform you but you can't get 1 outed with a hand you got all in pre flop with.
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01-22-2015 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Actually, I thought it was a pretty terrible user name - I can't figure out if he's trying to tell us he's a vegan, or a degen.

Unless he's a vegan degenerate...then it's an awesome name.
I figured that most of them are vegans, since there's no way they could afford meat or dairy.
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01-22-2015 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VeryApe82
The Turbo Championship of Online Bingo is starting soon. Can't wait to see what people will be going all in with, and more specifically what junk hand will inevitably end up knocking me out.
If you are in a game with a lot of people playing rubbish, you are a lot more likely to be knocked out by a 'junk hand'.

DUCY?

Even so, it is a considerable opportunity for you to do better then you would if everyone was nitting it to the hilt.

DUCY?
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01-22-2015 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SandmanNess
Hate to inform you but you can't get 1 outed with a hand you got all in pre flop with.
Pretty tough to get 2 or 3 outed AIPF, too.
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01-22-2015 , 07:41 PM
Twice now I have tried posting a hand in this thread, and twice it was deleted, presumably by the moderator. I wonder why? The post did not violate any terms and conditions. But it did bring to the forefront a highly suspicious hand.
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01-22-2015 , 07:50 PM
Actually, no single hand (or small number of hands) can be suspicious if viewed on its (or their) own, so posting a couple of hands isn't going to prove anything, and is better suited for the Bad Beats forum if you want to whine about it, or for your own blog if you just want to share all of your thoughts.

I didn't delete your posts, but I'm guessing that's why they were deleted.
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01-22-2015 , 07:56 PM
You'll need to delete the hands I posted on page 4966 too then, as well as about 3,000 other non-topical posts. And I wasn't whining, as I indicated in the post that I went on to win the game, which is the exact opposite of whining. Thanks Bo.
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01-22-2015 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VeryApe82
You'll need to delete the hands I posted on page 4966 too then, as well as about 3,000 other non-topical posts. And I wasn't whining, as I indicated in the post that I went on to win the game, which is the exact opposite of whining. Thanks Bo.
I'm sure you'll find many LC/OT posts in this thread that haven't been deleted. I'm just letting you know the reason yours might have been deleted; you can PM Mike Haven if it's really important to you. I don't want to speak for Mike, but I know I leave most posts in here alone, but once someone starts a pattern of posting hand histories (either a few in a row or several over a longer period), I'm more likely to delete them.

As for whining, I didn't really look that closely at your deleted posts, and that's why I allowed for a couple of possibilities:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Actually, no single hand (or small number of hands) can be suspicious if viewed on its (or their) own, so posting a couple of hands isn't going to prove anything, and is better suited for the Bad Beats forum if you want to whine about it, or for your own blog if you just want to share all of your thoughts.

I didn't delete your posts, but I'm guessing that's why they were deleted.
But like I said, if it's important to you, PM Mike Haven.

Basically, this thread isn't really the place for "Hey guys, look at this hand history! And this one!!", so while those posts are let go a lot of the time since this thread is pretty lightly moderated, you shouldn't be surprised if they're deleted sometimes.
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01-23-2015 , 02:24 AM
If I remember correctly, he posted a micro tournament hand where he got it AIPF with JJ against A2 or something and lost.

It was really shocking!!!
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01-23-2015 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Six Finger Nate
If I remember correctly, he posted a micro tournament hand where he got it AIPF with JJ against A2 or something and lost.

It was really shocking!!!
Come now, that could never happen unless the deck was rigged.

Oh, wait ...
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01-23-2015 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by VeryApe82
You'll need to delete the hands I posted on page 4966 too ...
This is only page 1066 for me or I would, especially if you didn't use the HH Converter then, either.
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01-23-2015 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Search this thread for the word "reward" in Monteroy's posts.

You'll find, for instance:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=69205
Thanks Mike.

So it's $5,000 to build a spaceship out of an old wheelie bin, a paper clip, some mentos and a tin of coke. Lucky for me my middle name is MacGyver

For the record, it is a Class III Impossibility (i.e. precognition) to "rig" an RNG with a source of quantum randomness and added classical entropy, to favour one player over another - not least of which because cards aren't dealt to "players" or "accounts" or "geographical regions", rather, they are dealt to "seats". So further manipulations are required throughout the software to rip desired outcomes for desired players, even if mastery of the RNG existed.

As a physicist I'm fascinated by photons. Maybe you didn't know photons have their own spaceships, called wave packets, in which they may travel faster or slower than the speed of light (but obviously the wave function as a whole cannot exceed c). Anyway, by changing the shape of the wave packet, we can slow down photons to urban traffic speed. Maybe if I was allowed unlimited access to the RNG and could reincarnate Bose and Einstein, I could hammer the favouritism rig down to a Class I Impossibility - i.e. the 3 of us might stumble across a solution using known laws of physics and build a new technology to exploit it. So all I need is several billion dollars, a time machine and several years study - or just a time machine, in which case I would have no need to predict cards (incidentally it's much easier to travel forward in time than it is back, indeed, astronauts travel forward in time (relative to us as Observers) when orbiting the Earth).

So yea it's ****** (I'm Irish, this isn't a swear word) impossible to rig the RNG intentionally but here is an article that adds further explanatory credence to my "singularity problem" (unique point of entangled 4-D space-time) using a Bose-Einstein condensate and slow light. You only need to read the first 2 paragraphs, the key point is end of paragraph 2 but the rest is also a good read

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html
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