As long as disposable riggies who will soon vanish continue to call me irrelevant, that is a good sign at how relevant I actually am .

Sorry I triggered you so much by challenging you to post your math question in the actual math forum. I know that had to be quite frustrating, but of course that is why I asked so many times! I mean, you played those hands so well in your mind .

You were a 3.5/10 as riggies go, since you never moved away from an assortment of riggie tropes, but you got a little bonus just because you lasted here longer, though that was only due to some newbie shills getting their first back and forth taste with a rerun riggie such as yourself. Guess they can dance with you for as long as they like - and it seems that d2 has no stop button, so he will continue to use the paddles on you to keep you going longer than mundane riggies like you normally last. I do not anticipate anything new or amusing to be said by either of you, but one never knows!

All the best.

How do you feel, knowing that you can contribute absolutely nothing to this particular debate?

You are irrelevant.

I feel perfectly fine, because

1) Nothing said in this thread by anyone matters at all
2) Debates with you have no value in or outside this thread as your posting history shows
3) Nothing said in this thread by anyone matters at all


Hey, I get that you are bitter as you enter the end phase of your riggie existence. That is your problem in the end, and soon you will be gone and replaced by a different riggie, and ideally that one will be more fun than you. You were very average, you were not super whiny, but also not that bright, and completely clueless with how the real world works, so was a pretty standard riggie mixed bag overall.

If you have not seen my riggie list, allow me to post a link for you to better get an idea of your culture, and if you look through all the quotes and commandments you may (though unlikely) start to understand just how unoriginal you are as a riggie, and most likely a human in general.

Anyway, enjoy this riggie resource

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=85969

All the best.

Nah man, I'm done with this one. He's just started going round in circles and flat out lying about what he said now which is no fun. I might see if I can go find that ?/3 guy do tunk on, he seems like much more interesting cannon fodder.

If you haven't noticed already, I tend to ignore the riggie, rigtard, rigturd stuff. Unfortunately for you, that's about 95% of your content.

You are irrelevant.

Heh, you are still here for now? Amusing for a bit, but all things end. Better luck in those nanogames, and watch out for quads or something. Thanks for the chat that will be important to you in the future, but not remembered here by anyone else. Bye.


Click on the link I just posted and you will see all sorts of fun links to much more entertaining riggies, and a whole lot of quotes from special riggies, and a list of commandments that riggies tend to follow, including this latest guy who thinks he is original for some reason. In all his posts I could not find one thing to get him on my list for next year, so that is kind of sad, as I like adding new material, so I added the "anti-poker" riggie that was here not long ago for instance, since at least that was kind of different.


Onto the next riggies!

You were done from the start. Wrapped up and finished off when the Pokerstars certification was rolled out.

You'd be well served to try a "tactical retreat".

There's little that excites me less than reading more of your rubbish. I won't be following any of your links or reading any more of your posts.

You are irrelevant.

Checking it out now, great stuff, cheers!

Have to admit, this post from 2010 made me chuckle

You came into the thread, thumping your chest proclaiming that it is easy to rig with software expertise. You then declared and assured me you could do it in such a way that math could not catch it. I have asked you to detail that out. You haven't.

What has happened is you've avoided, redirected, or outright ignore showing your fine skills of coding.

There is no logic and cohesive thought process to your extraordinary claims of programming brilliance. Instead, you share some gaseous thoughts about....well....I'm not really sure. You post/respond often to comments calling for your vast display of awesomeness in all tjknga coding with not much of anything. Then, you toss the boa over your shoulder, jerk your head up assertively as if you've taught anyone anything.

You said it is easy to show how you can tweak the software, maintain EV, and never be detected.

So you now....

1. Show it, odds 1,000 : 1
2. Stfu about it. 1,000 : 1
3. Continue to burp out nonsense and be trolled. Odds : 1 :10


The first 5 times I asked was in sincerity. Enjoy your day, fun while it lasted, kind of run out of lulz.

What's the most action you'll take on 3?

Yeesh, stop talking to or about that riggie, he had his run! No riggie after credit scenes needed!


Yeah, those were more fun times. There were organized shill sit-outs (was fun watching the riggies yell at each other), and many of the riggies were actually entertaining, with some being quite toxic as well. Eventually look into the interaction between spadebidder and AMEC0404 as that was quite interesting. Everyone announced that they were not posting in the thread many times as well. Most people then got the joke, less so these days with most riggies and some shills. Kelvis was always the same toxic twit over the years until he got banned. There was one riggie that did actually frustrate me many years ago, I do not remember his name, but he was either so clueless or was good at acting clueless that he was invulnerable to my snark. If I saw the name I would remember it, but been many years since a riggie has impressed me enough to have an actual reaction .

Believe it or not, this thread also had a lot of genuine chats about the mathematics of poker and the best theoretical ways a room could rig the games if they wanted as well, but years later when every riggie theory has been said over and over without one being proven - it gets more into the routine we see now.

Dude, those links are ****ing awesome. This is going to keep me going all lockdown!

How many times has a site opened their source code up and let someone actually inspect their RNG and algorithms on the back end on a site and on a per player basis? As far as I know this has never ever happened. Not the one time it gets certified and passed by an entity that does ZERO over sight after the passing grade, who has ever audited any online poker website for fairness outside of an overall RNG distribution calc over the course of all hands ever dealt to all players on platform?

My THEORY is that the sites manipulate distributions to where when you look at the entire sample of all hands and all players its within the accepted SD of possibilities. But if you look at each individual user I think it would be improbable at best for most players to be running as below ev as they do.

Im not a math major, I dont know how to code. I understand RNGs and algorithms based on what they do and how they do it. But how to implement, tinker, manipulate etc those variables, I have no clue. So im not going to pretend that im an expert or have definitive statistical proof (this really pisses me off when people scream wheres the proof?!? what proof do you expect anyone to have w/o inside access to source code and rng, other than a bunch of super improbable bad beats?) But my reading and understanding that anyone with a little coding and computer science knowledge CAN manipulate outcomes and long term percentages pretty darn easily without anyone ever knowing unless youre on the inside.

Why would operators do this? Theres a million. Greed, insolvency, improper usage of funds, make more money, steal money, up their revenue for share holders, cause they can, cause theyre unregulated. Why does anyone do anything they do for money? Its the root of all evil and you have to look to the people that are actually running and the face of these companies to get an idea of what kind of environment you can expect.

Anyone ever sign up for a for fun poker site like zynga or pokerrrr2 and when you sign up they make you play out a hand to get used to the software. Your hand is always AK or AA and it shows a set up vs 72, it runs out and you win the hand and thats the end of the tutorial now you get to play for real and sign up? Why cant operators make hands like this all the time? Whats stopping them from making it the welcome tutorial and not just the very detailed algorithm that slowly syphons off everyones money in set up hands that are mathematical proofs to big house edges long term? Why is a site that is unregulated unaudited not capable of doing things like this?

This is a THEORY. I cant prove it. But I have a long history of outlying events happening in my online career and absolutely zero of them have been to the upside of those outliers. I feel that a lot of people have the same story and feelings I do but have no clue how to articulate it, prove it or really care cause a lot of those players will just come and go after 1-2 deposits.

Its not IMPOSSIBLE to cheat the whole system and get away with it especially for the unlicensed and unregulated operators. I dont think all of poker and online is like that, but to have the thread thought process that no one would ever do anything and no site is cheating or a bad actor cause why would they is such a naive stance to take. Especially when multiple times its been proven that these sites make horrible decisions that come down on the players and that these things have been done before.

my 0.02 and i know its not worth anything but its an honest response.

Everytime a rigtard whines about running below ev, somewhere in the world a cute little kitten dies a horrible death.

You're a moron. I know it's not worth anything but it's an honest response.

Youre prolly a miserable person and contribute nothing to society. Thanks for contributing to the discussion and proving my point in the first response.

Hand histories over a very large sample size should be able to spot outcomes that fall outside of what is mathematically expected in poker. This was done to expose the Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet superuser scandals. Nobody who blew the whistle had access to any source code and RNG (in fact the smoking gun surfaced when a player was inadvertently given access to the hand history for every player in an entire tournament).

Does that change the fact that you're a whiny moron? Nope.

You obviously don’t get what it’s like to be a winning player yet run 38% below expected EV over tens of thousands of hands.

I appreciate this post. And yes it’s obvious we can’t prove anything or if it has ever been true for WPN/ACR.

I have played online since 2006. I was on PokerStars and FTP top 99% on OPR for multiple years. I got settled into a career in 2015 but have kept learning and adapting. I can’t make sense of this site, but I’ve just never seen anything like it. It’s the only setup where I’m a consistently losing player. I’ve reviewed my hands. I’ve had other winning players review them. I’m not a perfect player, but I’m damn sure a winning player. My Sharkscope graph looks HORRENDOUS right now. If ppl only knew the hands I’m losing on a RIDICULOUSLY CONSISTENT basis they’d be skeptical just like two others that have reviewed my hands feel.
As a very well rounded math person who understands the variance concepts of poker, It’s quite incredible how the same accts like mine can run so god awful and others just have a graph that consistently shoots to the moon. I’m completely in tune with my poker abilities. I know where I stand ability wise. I’ve played multiple WSOP events including the main, the WPT championships, the circuit events, and all mid to high level online. I’m not some basement dwelling bum. I’m also very perceptive at the tables and life in general. So when the pit of my stomach is in utter disbelief this much I’m going to start trusting it a bit.

It is very easy to have a flawed rng, even if it isnt purposely screwing one particular player over.

You obviously don’t get why whining about "running below EV" automatically shows everyone how bad of a player you really are

But hey, you wrote a big paragraph about how you are "damn sure a winning player" and "a well rounded math person who understands the variance concepts of poker", lol.

Keep sitting at those tables, the winning players are very happy about it Imagine if you could see how many smart players have tagged you as a spewing degen

I don’t really care about your opinion and don’t expect you to care for mine.

Play your little online role and do you. I keep a tight ship on my stats. I don’t need your little trolling anti validation.

Yeah yeah, you are not affected by any of this. Yet you made a stupid, lengthy and whiny post about how you feel you are treated unfair by the evil RNG

But it's ok, it's way better for everyone if you play more hands instead of posting whiney bs

I actually think it might be rigged. I'm not a good player but I've been constantly winning lately. There's no way it could be of my own merits. Someone must have rigged the RNG in favor of me, thus causing others to lose more. I do promise to spend my winnings on the finest cheeseburgers.

He is indeed a miserable person. It’s probably because of his micropeen and the fact he has no friends. His whole life revolves around going on Internet forums and calling people morons and losers.

I feel bad for him honestly. :-(

Here are the 2 pms you sent me recently. Talk about irony It's almost like all you talk about is micropeens. Coincidence?

For any of the major poker platforms, the answer is never. And that's the crux of my argument. Open them up and they could end this entire debate. But none of them have nor will. Proper regulation and oversight is badly missing from the online poker world.

There's a bunch of people here (paid shills perhaps?) who'll try and convince you they can figure out if the software is correct or not by trawling through millions of HHs. I wish they would and show us proof of fairness.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it admin accounts and collusion that were caught due to the fact that the cheating was so obvious and blatant? Nobody has every proved the fairness of online poker via HHs that I know of.

Ignore that clown UsernameTaken. He's a bit of an embarrassment.

In my OP on this, I pointed out that we really have no way of knowing what the software is up to. I don't believe the RNGs are flawed on most sites. That would be way too easy to spot in HHs when looking at the distribution of hole cards. As for what happens after the hole cards are dealt though, that's anyone's guess. No matter what anyone here says, they are totally clueless and blind to that because it's done in software that has never been reviewed or audited. We simply have a the choice of trusting the operators or not.

What I find incredible is that so many supposed poker players are against openness and transparency of the online sites. They're like a bunch of turkeys cheering for Christmas. It makes no sense.