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01-27-2015 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
I've got 2 of em brah and literally anyone who studied atomic physics, nuclear physics, solid-state physics, astrophysics, medical physics or quantum mechanics, will know that everything I said on the subject is scientifically sound. That you question my validity proves that you don't have the pedigree to challenge me on science.
It's very easy to 'say' complex and hi-falutin' things that are 'correct' about any subject, simply by reading or Googling. This you have done.

What demonstrates your lack of actual knowledge on the subject is your laughable ineptness when it comes to applying the things you have discovered in a cogent and valid fashion.

You are not the first riggie to come here proclaiming great educational achievements whilst simultaneously demonstrating that they haven't a clue.
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01-27-2015 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
So the code that sat boldly in every version of Windows for 20 years that was exploited by a handful of people was detectable or undetectable?
Detectable, because it was exploited You are such an idiot. Maybe find a better youtube video about exploits?

Oh, and Windows 8.1 has tons of exploitable code in it as well and I sincerely hope some smart guy is proving it to you on your own box

Man, it really offends my intelligence when peasants talk about code.

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OK. Stop arguing science with the scientist, please.
Yep, ok, it's clear you're running out of ****ty arguments.

And please don't speak of yourself as a scientist, I'm afraid I'll get serious injuries from perma-laughing
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01-27-2015 , 02:08 PM
if there was/ is a flaw in the software then either A it is undetectable/impossible to detect in which case it is irrelevant. or it means the flaw can be found and exploited in which case why do you not do so.
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01-27-2015 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo

For what it's worth, few people ever make money as physicists, which is why I crossed over to the dark side and became a "quant".
That's not how you spell it
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01-28-2015 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
That's not how you spell it
Post of the month.
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01-28-2015 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
Is like saying ultimately all numbers are linear. Yes one line follows on from the next but line 19 can effect all lines up to line 1019 by non-linear amounts (i.e. no effect on line 29, factor of one million on line 97). Code is in fact more like a miniature and massively simplified quantum system - every line effects every other line in some respect, however negligible that effect may be, no single line can be argued to be separate from the whole core function
Jorge,

I have been a professional programmer for more than 20 years. I have programmed in BASIC, COBOL, RPG, FORTRAN, PHP, Perl, Visual Basic, C, C++, Java, C# and even dabbled in Assembly, as well as numerous flavors of SQL, and other languages I've forgotten about.

So please bear in mind, when it comes to code, I am an expert. And you, sir, are embarrassing yourself. Your statement above shows no understanding of how a computer processor works.

NO, sir, one line of code does not subtly affect every other line of code in subtle and negligible ways. One line of code is one line of code. The code is compiled into processor operations which either update memory registers or provide instructions to the CPU on what to do with those memory registers.

It is possible to write code which changes other code, or hijacks a line of execution, or changes stored data or updates memory variables. It is possible to take advantage of weaknesses in existing code to force it to override memory registers which are used to tell the CPU what to do next, to hijack an application.

However, each of those possibilities is detectible.

What you are writing about is pure hokum. Stop. Just stop.
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01-28-2015 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
Jorge,

I have been a professional programmer for more than 20 years. I have programmed in BASIC, COBOL, RPG, FORTRAN, PHP, Perl, Visual Basic, C, C++, Java, C# and even dabbled in Assembly, as well as numerous flavors of SQL, and other languages I've forgotten about.

So please bear in mind, when it comes to code, I am an expert. And you, sir, are embarrassing yourself. Your statement above shows no understanding of how a computer processor works.

NO, sir, one line of code does not subtly affect every other line of code in subtle and negligible ways. One line of code is one line of code. The code is compiled into processor operations which either update memory registers or provide instructions to the CPU on what to do with those memory registers.

It is possible to write code which changes other code, or hijacks a line of execution, or changes stored data or updates memory variables. It is possible to take advantage of weaknesses in existing code to force it to override memory registers which are used to tell the CPU what to do next, to hijack an application.

However, each of those possibilities is detectible.

What you are writing about is pure hokum. Stop. Just stop.
+1

Slight variation of skills set (-perl -SQL+a lot of assembler) and I can absolutely confirm what EG says.

The whole idea of 'undetectable' code is so nonsensical that anyone who both claims that such a thing exists AND claims to have any technical understanding of computers is either a liar or a fool.
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01-28-2015 , 02:03 PM
Sidetrack: I wish I knew more about assembly language. I attended a conference session once where a white-hat hacker demonstrated hijacking a horrible FTP service by passing a command line in with thousands of characters of garbage followed by a few lines of assembly that ended up in the CPU operation registers which resulted in the FTP server opening up a telnet link to the hacker's computer giving him a shell with root level admin access.

The demonstration of how the hack worked and how the memory registers got hijacked by the buffer overrun was one of the coolest coding concepts I've seen in a long time.
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01-28-2015 , 02:07 PM
I have always held the belief that sites like poker stars would be stupid to rig anything. Theres too much for them to loose... And what kind of incentive would they have? To have their own accounts and suck out on rec players to make even more money??

Nah, that's ridiculous

BUT, after playing 500+ MTTs since mid December 2014, I have run so so sooo bad, when I was dominating pre and on the flop (where I got it in, obv)


Aces lost 5 times in a row, and no, not against a standard pp vs aa, but aa vs Axs. And it goes runner runner flush. That's just so sick.

My all in ev is growing and growing, being the only line which is above zero..


Now, in the past week have run DEEEEP in 4 tournaments, and you know what? I was sucking out left right and centre.

A4o > AQs
K2o > AA
77 > 88
A9o > AKs
78s > JJ

To name a few



So, the only times I run deep is when I suck out again and again. Maybe I just suck at poker? Maybe my account has been compromised... Either way, I will continue to play

Last edited by Mars Bar Bar Bar; 01-28-2015 at 02:21 PM.
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01-28-2015 , 03:10 PM
Wowzeroonis, 500 whole MTTs? How do you put in such sick volume?
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01-28-2015 , 04:46 PM
500 in a month is pretty sick volume you div
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01-28-2015 , 04:58 PM
LOL, if you say so.

17 MTTs a day is nothing, sweet summer child.
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01-28-2015 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mars Bar Bar Bar
I have always held the belief that sites like poker stars would be stupid to rig anything. Theres too much for them to loose... And what kind of incentive would they have? To have their own accounts and suck out on rec players to make even more money??

Nah, that's ridiculous

BUT, after playing 500+ MTTs since mid December 2014, I have run so so sooo bad, when I was dominating pre and on the flop (where I got it in, obv)


Aces lost 5 times in a row, and no, not against a standard pp vs aa, but aa vs Axs. And it goes runner runner flush. That's just so sick.

My all in ev is growing and growing, being the only line which is above zero..


Now, in the past week have run DEEEEP in 4 tournaments, and you know what? I was sucking out left right and centre.

A4o > AQs
K2o > AA
77 > 88
A9o > AKs
78s > JJ

To name a few



So, the only times I run deep is when I suck out again and again. Maybe I just suck at poker? Maybe my account has been compromised... Either way, I will continue to play


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Originally Posted by otatop
Wowzeroonis, 500 whole MTTs? How do you put in such sick volume?
Too bad youve decided to continue. Just what online poker industry people like this guy who work this thread day and night want.
What happened to you happens to everyone who plays as thats the way the software that deals the cards is programmed. NO ONE comes out ahead in the long run.
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01-28-2015 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
Too bad youve decided to continue. Just what online poker industry people like this guy who work this thread day and night want.
He should quit all forms of poker.

You should quit all forms of poker.

Not sure why you think all shills believe the opposite of this, I have told riggies like you to quit for a long time, but even you probably still play.

Quit all forms of poker now, never play another hand for the rest of your life, and he should do the same.


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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
What happened to you happens to everyone who plays as thats the way the software that deals the cards is programmed. NO ONE comes out ahead in the long run.
Know what people who believe this should do? They should quit all forms of poker.

You should quit all forms of poker. In case that is not entirely clear - you should quit all forms of poker. Hope that helps.

All the best.


P.S. Quit all forms of poker.

Last edited by Monteroy; 01-28-2015 at 08:26 PM. Reason: Quit all forms of poker
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01-28-2015 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mars Bar Bar Bar
So, the only times I run deep is when I suck out again and again. Maybe I just suck at poker?
William of Occam has the answer you seek.
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01-28-2015 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
He should quit all forms of poker.

You should quit all forms of poker.

Not sure why you think all shills believe the opposite of this, I have told riggies like you to quit for a long time, but even you probably still play.

Quit all forms of poker now, never play another hand for the rest of your life, and he should do the same.




Know what people who believe this should do? They should quit all forms of poker.

You should quit all forms of poker. In case that is not entirely clear - you should quit all forms of poker. Hope that helps.

All the best.


P.S. Quit all forms of poker.
Yes, yes. Youre such a caring guy whos lived in this thread for years trying to convince the masses that they really dont see the obvious deal manipulation that goes on at every poker site.
People are going to continue to play even though, which makes you very happy. Cut the games, dude.
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01-28-2015 , 10:33 PM
Its so rigged, i just played an SNG and a guy got 2 quads in 1 SNG !!! He haxed it, i knowz for sure ! It was the 10 cents on party.
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01-28-2015 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
Yes, yes. Youre such a caring guy whos lived in this thread for years trying to convince the masses that they really dont see the obvious deal manipulation that goes on at every poker site.
I do not care about you at all, and you are one of the few people with more posts than me in this thread with all your posting accounts. At least I make a good living in this industry, what are you still doing here after all these years of the same whining . Quit playing poker!


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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
People are going to continue to play even though, which makes you very happy. Cut the games, dude.
If people like you continue to play even though the correct choice is for you to quit all forms of poker then that is entirely your problem. GO to Gamblers Anonymous if you need. I do not care at all if you play or not - riggies are meaningless in the industry in a financial sense, and they consume time with their whining. Most sites would be thrilled if people like you never played again and stopped flooding them with whiny emails etc.

Use that for a spin on shilldom if you like - we want you to quit poker so you stop whining and fail to reveal all the secrets we in the secret elite power keep, while earning $5 per post!

In the end you should never play another hand of poker ever again. Never. Ever.

Quit all forms of poker. Seriously - just quit.


All the best.



P.S. Remember to quit all forms of poker.

Last edited by Monteroy; 01-28-2015 at 11:10 PM. Reason: I managed to successfully troll the blatantriggiedude posting bot!
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01-28-2015 , 11:19 PM
Wondered what took you so long to respond. I think it was over a half an hour!!!!!!
Im thinking since you spend over half your life in here, you really dont make much of a living doing anything.
Trying to convince people deal manipulated online poker is random isnt a living.
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01-29-2015 , 12:00 AM
Sorry I do not constantly refresh this thread like you to be able to always reply in 12 minutes or less like you!

You spend more time in this thread than me, and you have literally no money to show for it. I make $5 a post on top of all of the money I make in this industry. You make zero. I win. You lose. That is your destiny.

Quit all forms of poker. Quit everything to do with online poker. Never pay another cent of rake to the sites you believe are all corrupt and cheating you.

I am not trying to convince you or any riggie that the deal is not rigged - but I am using logic when I say if you believe it is rigged (as you have for years) then the best choice is for you to quit.

If you actually quit playing poker and said so then you would at least have a proper starting position. As is all you are is a long time gambling degen that wallows in constant losing. If you want to continue that life then go for it, no real difference to me, but I will always tell you that the best choice for you is to quit all forms of poker.

You are the living embodiment of the punchline to the joke of "Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"


Quit all forms of poker.


All the best.
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01-29-2015 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mars Bar Bar Bar
500 in a month is pretty sick volume you div
Dude, please. A friend of mine grinds mtts, he plays up to 40 at a time with a new one opening the moment he either busts out or ships one. 500 in a month is only 'sick' if you mean next to nothing, not in the sense of an amazingly high volume. I've watched him grind and the kinds of beats you are talking about happen constantly and it's just a matter of forgetting them and focusing on the next table that pops up. If you can't do that, you have no business thinking (as you currently are not grinding but dabbling) of grinding mtts.

I grind hu hypers these days, and it's the same thing. I just went through having four two outers beat me within about 3 or 4 minutes of each other. Sigh and move on. Or laugh. But if you go nuts and start keeping mental track of how you're being unfairly assaulted by the site or some such, you've already lost the game.

Gl if you decide to keep it up, but read Jared Tindler's The Mental Game of Poker before you go any further.
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01-29-2015 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
NO ONE comes out ahead in the long run.
But what about all the people who have?
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01-29-2015 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
But what about all the people who have?
They are all in on it.
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01-29-2015 , 09:32 PM
Stars is definitely rigged. I've played like ten $5 spin and gos and haven't gotten the $1M spin even once.
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