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01-18-2015 , 06:24 PM
I had lots of bad luck today last year I made just a little under five figures and up several hundred this year but i lost about $60 today to ridic bad luck so i guess that proves that sites always punish you in the end. Definitely not variance definitely a conspiracy theory. i reckon they called a meeting and spent the whole night re writing software was probably pizza ordered in and stuff.
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01-18-2015 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
by-product of running a single quantum system continuously for several years - the resulting entanglement creates sticky results and patterns that repeat ad nauseam.
You've beaten this insane horse to death now.

Let's change the subject. Do you have any opinions about bitcoin ? Do you think John Nash could be Satoshi Nakamoto ?
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01-18-2015 , 08:11 PM
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You've beaten this insane horse to death now.

Let's change the subject. Do you have any opinions about bitcoin ? Do you think John Nash could be Satoshi Nakamoto ?
to be fair, the bolded letters are an anagram of I AM NASH
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01-18-2015 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
@Scumbagsall @Dankhank

You guys are only partially right. The rig exists but is unintentional (therefore isn't a "rig" or cheating) and is an unwanted by-product of running a single quantum system continuously for several years - the resulting entanglement creates sticky results and patterns that repeat ad nauseam.

It would be easy for sites to re-set their RNG LASERS, thus re-setting the entangled states to give all users equal opportunity. Why they won't do this (I've asked) is still beyond me but I guess they have their reasons (don't care, don't understand, they like the current set of winners and losers).

I'm on stars again today and the running of some players over my sample of say, 200 showdowns each today (over 15-20 games), just beggars belief. The same dudes that always run hot are scooping 20 flips in a row on 10 tables concurrently. The same dudes running cold just can't win even if they grossly out-play the hot villains. Week after week the same patterns, especially in bigger games. Like I said before, it's REALLY EASY to tell who will win and lose on stars by looking at their last few sessions and today's running. That's all it takes. Hot will continue to be hot, cold continues to be cold for inordinate periods.

Personally I have been running at 7% with AA hands from my last 100 dealt. So 93% I lose with AA when obviously I'm favourite - those are some odd-shaped coins stars is using if the small side hits 93/100 for me and only 1/100 (if that) for the hot streakers. Strikes me as weird how all the beats come in huge bunches, immediately after I cash out. Each day since I cashed out I win roughly 1/10 when >60% favourite and the same donkeys win 9/10 when > 40% favourite. As I keep depositing and approach the full "repayment" of my winnings, my running will switch for 1-2 days. I will WIN when 85% + on turn (a luxury for me) and make enough in 1-2 days that I'm forced to withdraw again - at which point the cycle resets and I go another 10 days winning 5-10% when expectations are 60-70%, until I deposit enough again that the odds run true. It's ****ed up and it keeps repeating over and over and over.
This was getting really good, I thought you were going to get into the part about the aliens controlling the lasers colluding with the ancients. First time I've heard the laser argument so pretty sure you are onto something. Keep searching and forget the haters.😁
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01-19-2015 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
@Scumbagsall @Dankhank

You guys are only partially right. The rig exists but is unintentional (therefore isn't a "rig" or cheating) and is an unwanted by-product of running a single quantum system continuously for several years - the resulting entanglement creates sticky results and patterns that repeat ad nauseam.

It would be easy for sites to re-set their RNG LASERS, thus re-setting the entangled states to give all users equal opportunity. Why they won't do this (I've asked) is still beyond me but I guess they have their reasons (don't care, don't understand, they like the current set of winners and losers).

I'm on stars again today and the running of some players over my sample of say, 200 showdowns each today (over 15-20 games), just beggars belief. The same dudes that always run hot are scooping 20 flips in a row on 10 tables concurrently. The same dudes running cold just can't win even if they grossly out-play the hot villains. Week after week the same patterns, especially in bigger games. Like I said before, it's REALLY EASY to tell who will win and lose on stars by looking at their last few sessions and today's running. That's all it takes. Hot will continue to be hot, cold continues to be cold for inordinate periods.

Personally I have been running at 7% with AA hands from my last 100 dealt. So 93% I lose with AA when obviously I'm favourite - those are some odd-shaped coins stars is using if the small side hits 93/100 for me and only 1/100 (if that) for the hot streakers. Strikes me as weird how all the beats come in huge bunches, immediately after I cash out. Each day since I cashed out I win roughly 1/10 when >60% favourite and the same donkeys win 9/10 when > 40% favourite. As I keep depositing and approach the full "repayment" of my winnings, my running will switch for 1-2 days. I will WIN when 85% + on turn (a luxury for me) and make enough in 1-2 days that I'm forced to withdraw again - at which point the cycle resets and I go another 10 days winning 5-10% when expectations are 60-70%, until I deposit enough again that the odds run true. It's ****ed up and it keeps repeating over and over and over.
If the "rig" is unintentional why does it go against you immediately after you cash out?

You are sounding more and more like a standard deluded riggie. In other words just another bad beat whiner/bad player looking to blame anything/anyone except himself.
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01-19-2015 , 01:48 AM
Really, that's what tipped you off, not his **** about lasers and the singularity?
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01-19-2015 , 01:57 AM
How about a bet Jorge? You can't produce a valid, consecutive hand history showing that you won only 7 of your last 100 AA deals. I have $500 ready to escrow now.

At this point you've resorted to just making up ridiculous ****. You should have just stuck to the laser/quantum/singularity gimmick. At least it was creative.
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01-19-2015 , 02:25 AM
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Really, that's what tipped you off, not his **** about lasers and the singularity?
Lol, my point was that he was obviously always a deluded riggie but at least a creative one.

Now he is resorting to the standard riggie cliches and rhetoric.
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01-19-2015 , 05:23 PM
As for the rest of you who label me a "creative riggie", I don't really blame you. When Einstein had his first peer-review of relativity, he was fortunate not to be locked up. Now here I am, talking to you about time dilation and quantum entanglement.

Do not be fooled by your own ignorance. It is an escapable fact of science that quantum entanglement of the nature I described DOES exist and DOES influence the long-term outcome of poker hands. This is not an assumption and will not be questioned by any knowledgeable scientist. The only part of my theory that is, in fact, theory and not fact, is my hypothetical chain of causality.

Perhaps when you learn to suppress your inner hick, you will be struck by the simplistic certainty of what I am saying and have said. I believe my observations and analysis shed light on predictable results. I know it's true because I've lived it for years. That you do not accept my theory is neither here nor there - that you would choose to ridicule scientific fact and acquiesce to non-LASER restarts, is just plain ignorant here, there and everywhere
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01-19-2015 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
As for the rest of you who label me a "creative riggie", I don't really blame you. When Einstein had his first peer-review of relativity, he was fortunate not to be locked up. Now here I am, talking to you about time dilation and quantum entanglement.

Do not be fooled by your own ignorance. It is an escapable fact of science that quantum entanglement of the nature I described DOES exist and DOES influence the long-term outcome of poker hands. This is not an assumption and will not be questioned by any knowledgeable scientist. The only part of my theory that is, in fact, theory and not fact, is my hypothetical chain of causality.

Perhaps when you learn to suppress your inner hick, you will be struck by the simplistic certainty of what I am saying and have said. I believe my observations and analysis shed light on predictable results. I know it's true because I've lived it for years. That you do not accept my theory is neither here nor there - that you would choose to ridicule scientific fact and acquiesce to non-LASER restarts, is just plain ignorant here, there and everywhere
Yeah I am pretty sure the reptillians exploit this to win our moneys and fund there continued dominance of the human race. DO NOT BE FOOLED PEOPLE ITS TIME TO WAKE UP!!!!
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01-19-2015 , 06:25 PM
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Perhaps ... you will be struck by the simplistic certainty of what I am saying and have said.
Don't worry. I'd say most readers already think you're simple.
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01-19-2015 , 06:31 PM
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Don't worry. I'd say most readers already think you're simple.
Brah, what happened to my post on Nash, bitcoins and Keynesian economics?

Some might call your insult unoriginal but its unique for me to hear that, so cheers brah
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01-19-2015 , 07:03 PM
hi jorge , in my main mttsng games 90 to 360 players in about 5000 games i cant ever have more then 49.99% roi , unbeliveble streaks of bad luck always hit me to being always around 48 and 49,99 roi

in my personal experience i feel the software is indeed adjusting players winrate at crucial times and i also feel theres specific targetings from the software with the help of house bots that can see hole and board cards in this type of mttsng and normal mtts
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01-19-2015 , 07:08 PM
I have avoided reading this thread for quite a while.... I now feel like gouging my eyes out from the utter stupidity of the rigged believers. Just curious to know if anybody in the rigged camp has winning stats over any decent sample size? I mean really do your part to save the rest of us doubters!! I have no doubt that this will not happen, losers want to have something to believe in so they do not have to face the fact that, HEY I MIGHT NOT BE GOOD AT THIS!! Just read the chat box sometime, it is as if you are reading the tweet version of this thread. Complain complain complain about it being rigged as they call down on a board with a flush and straight showing because they refuse to lay down a big pocket pair.
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01-19-2015 , 07:10 PM
nice timing deathandtexas ahah not just loosers see it and security to players is primitive and with so much rake poker players dont diserve primitive security protocols
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01-19-2015 , 07:17 PM
Jorge--do you really think you're any different from any of the other hundreds of riggies in this thread who say that they can predict future events (as they relate to the RNG) but are for some magical reason unable to provide any evidence at all?

If so, how?
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01-19-2015 , 07:26 PM
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As for the rest of you who label me a "creative riggie", I don't really blame you.
You are hardly the first quasi-intellectual riggie, nor will you be the last. One did a long thing about it being "semi-rigged," and used a lot of the same techniques you are using now.

You are around average when it comes to the arrogant riggie crowd. You certainly are better than the people who claim to be programmers, but there have been a number who did the arrogance far better without the missteps that you have done thusfar. I am bad at remembering user names, but there was one who was an excellent arrogant troll who had an icon that also tilted people. He had 2010 or 2012 at the end of his user name, but I forget the beginning part. Pretty sure he was eventually banned.



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Originally Posted by JorgeLorenzo
When Einstein had his first peer-review of relativity, he was fortunate not to be locked up. Now here I am, talking to you about time dilation and quantum entanglement. Do not be fooled by your own ignorance. It is an escapable fact of science that quantum entanglement of the nature I described DOES exist and DOES influence the long-term outcome of poker hands. This is not an assumption and will not be questioned by any knowledgeable scientist. The only part of my theory that is, in fact, theory and not fact, is my hypothetical chain of causality. Perhaps when you learn to suppress your inner hick, you will be struck by the simplistic certainty of what I am saying and have said. I believe my observations and analysis shed light on predictable results. I know it's true because I've lived it for years. That you do not accept my theory is neither here nor there - that you would choose to ridicule scientific fact and acquiesce to non-LASER restarts, is just plain ignorant here, there and everywhere

The problem with your little manifestos is that you claimed you had the ability to predict tournament outcomes, which would have been good for troll material if you had done either of the following:

- Never did a specific prediction.
- Did a specific prediction and got it right.

Unfortunately, you kept swinging and missing, even predicting outcomes when there was a dozen people left and still getting them wrong. In contrast, I was a perfect 100% in my predictions...

You also demonstrated in your earlier posts that you had no common sense as you could not identify when people were trolling you with fake support,nor could you see simple cons for what they were until explained.

Now, prior to you flubbing that up I did strongly suggest that you go full troll, and even offered some suggestions how to do that. It seems that that is what you are finally going to try, and while it might amuse for a little while, you unfortunately missed the timing to really hit the heights you could have as a troll, and that is disappointing.

I do wish you luck in your trolling here, and some of the shills are pretty easy targets, so if you should have some success at least due to that. Next time (or perhaps with your next posting account) - listen to my advice quicker and you will be much more effective in that regard.

All the best.


P.S. I did not see your Nash/Bitcoin post (if there was one), but you will never come close to the crazy that was the frequently banned Nash nutjob. I assume you were asked to imply that you were him, but the style is too different, and that guy is a full time prisoner to his beliefs.
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01-19-2015 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenZen
hi jorge , in my main mttsng games 90 to 360 players in about 5000 games i cant ever have more then 49.99% roi , unbeliveble streaks of bad luck always hit me to being always around 48 and 49,99 roi
From a couple of years ago:

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Here's the top 20 on pocketfives who've got their stars stats viewable.

Highest with more than 10k sample is 40%

Games ¦ Av.Prof¦ Stake ¦ Roi ¦ Profit ¦Ability
15,365 ¦ $25.4 ¦¦ $70.9 ¦ 33.8% ¦ $390,237 ¦¦ 96
51,029 ¦ $8.78 ¦¦ $120 ¦¦ 7% ¦¦¦ $447,986 ¦¦ 94
6,183 ¦¦ $43.59 ¦ $66.9 ¦ 61.2% ¦ $269,489 ¦¦ 96
11,934 ¦ $33.35 ¦ $128 ¦ 24.9% ¦ $397,995 ¦¦ 95
2,191 ¦¦ $139 ¦¦¦ $133 ¦ 98.4% ¦ $303,669 ¦¦ 97
12,774 ¦ $26.62 ¦ $177 ¦ 14.3% ¦ $340,050 ¦¦ 96
19,059 ¦ $7.75 ¦¦ $54.9 ¦ 13.3% ¦ $147,644 ¦¦ 94
35,596 ¦ $11.43 ¦ $90.9 ¦ 12.1% ¦ $406,888 ¦¦ 96
8,781 ¦¦ $35.89 ¦ $186 ¦ 18.3% ¦ $315,119 ¦¦ 98
14,134 ¦ $25.64 ¦ $107 ¦ 22.8% ¦ $362,367 ¦¦ 96
18,527 ¦ $19.23 ¦ $126 ¦ 14.4% ¦ $356,294 ¦¦ 95
14,086 ¦ $16.41 ¦ $107 ¦ 14.5% ¦ $231,089 ¦¦ 96
11,770 ¦ $62.6 ¦¦ $148 ¦ 40.3% ¦ $736,857 ¦¦ 97
14,242 ¦ $47.91 ¦ $129 ¦ 35.2% ¦ $682,330 ¦¦ 96
7,776 ¦¦ $46.62 ¦ $163 ¦ 27.4% ¦ $362,514 ¦¦ 96
11,842 ¦ $64.81 ¦ $159 ¦ 38.7% ¦ $767,515 ¦¦ 99
5,749 ¦¦ $90.31 ¦ $133 ¦ 64.8% ¦ $519,192 ¦¦ 96
11,555 ¦ $50.72 ¦ $157 ¦ 30.7% ¦ $586,054 ¦¦ 99
13,346 ¦ $49.71 ¦ $124 ¦ 38% ¦¦¦ $663,482 ¦¦ 97
32,121 ¦ $33.89 ¦ $177 ¦ 18.4% ¦ $1,088,739¦ 98
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in my personal experience i feel the software is indeed adjusting players winrate at crucial times and i also feel theres specific targetings from the software with the help of house bots that can see hole and board cards in this type of mttsng and normal mtts
If you feel this, obviously it must be right. Don't even look at PT or HEM stats, and certainly don't post them here or the shills will pick holes in them.
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01-19-2015 , 07:28 PM
excuse me but whats with the how six finger nails , i ask u how doesnt pokerstars release full hhs at least after some years and every year , if the software as control with bots they can easily correct standard deviations , they could at least release hh from 10 years ago and every year so on

mike heaven i feel there could be house bots , i use my % numbers with hellp of hm

also u dont know the **** that happens to keep me at that roi

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01-19-2015 , 07:44 PM
GreenZen,

You know that drinking/pot and massive tilt are your issues as you play the micro MTTs and 180 mans. ROI in the games you play is not as useful as measure, because a couple binks can give an artificial ROI that is not representative of anything. In fact it is quite possible to be down a lot of money, yet have a positive ROI according to sharkscope, based on how they do their calculations.

Here are the stats of a player I used to back (they are his stats after he left to play higher than we thought he should play), from the time he left about a year ago.

19,649 games 02/01/2014-01/19/2030
-$3.93 Average loss per game
$36.99 ABI
6% ROI

-$77,254
68


He is down about 80k yet has a ROI of +6% over 20,000ish games due to a couple of massive binks.

His ABI is 10-20x higher than yours and his volume is no doubt quite a bit higher than yours, so if he has a positive ROI according to sharkscope over 20,000 games with an ABI of $37 and nearly 80k in losses - how meaningful do you believe your ROI is?


You are obsessing over a fake stat as part of your tilt, and creating a weird conspiracy around those beliefs that requires Stars to care about your "ROI" at the micros as defined by an unrelated tracking site. You may as well obsess over "sharkscope ability" at this point.

All the best.
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01-19-2015 , 07:58 PM
i dont have any drink problem .. i smoke weed so what , the only valid point u made is that i play at micro and low stakes , i know that increases variance

what point do u have on the fact pokerstars doesnt release hhs even from years ago so at least people have the freedom to run fair analyzes

and i mean full hole cards hand histories not personal ones

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01-19-2015 , 08:07 PM
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In fact it is quite possible to be down a lot of money, yet have a positive ROI according to sharkscope, based on how they do their calculations.
I figured you were quite "simple", to steal a phrase.

OF COURSE it's possible to have + ROI and - Profit or vice-versa.

A little thought experiment for you. A player has an ABI of $36, profit - $70K and ROI of 6%. Have you ever considered that this player made a bunch of FTs at micro-stakes, but always lost at the highest stakes, therefore the 75000% ROI from the $0.10 rebuy balances all the 0%s from the Sunday Million to give overall + ROI and - Profit?

Or indeed a player could win the Sunday Million and brick 10,000 $1 mtts, yielding a huge + profit but a huge - ROI.

If simple maths eludes you brah, please don't share your "insights" in reply to any more of my posts
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01-19-2015 , 08:10 PM
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I figured you were quite "simple", to steal a phrase.

OF COURSE it's possible to have + ROI and - Profit or vice-versa.

A little thought experiment for you. A player has an ABI of $36, profit - $70K and ROI of 6%. Have you ever considered that this player made a bunch of FTs at micro-stakes, but always lost at the highest stakes, therefore the 75000% ROI from the $0.10 rebuy balances all the 0%s from the Sunday Million to give overall + ROI and - Profit?

Or indeed a player could win the Sunday Million and brick 10,000 $1 mtts, yielding a huge + profit but a huge - ROI.

If simple maths eludes you brah, please don't share your "insights" in reply to any more of my posts
If and when you purchase some common sense (perhaps it is on sale at Walmart) you will see that my post said exactly the same thing yours did - as I was trying to demonstrate that concept to GreenZen. He is the one obsessing about ROI, and how meaningful it is, not me.

Dude, (I mean Brah,) just do that quantum laser beam troll thing full time (albeit a bit late) as I have suggested until everyone gets bored, and then move on with whatever is your life. You kind of suck at figuring out the routine things going on and being said around you.




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i dont have any drink problem .. i smoke weed so what , the only valid point u made is that i play at micro and low stakes , i know that increases variance

what point do u have on the fact pokerstars doesnt release hhs even from years ago so at least people have the freedom to run fair analyzes

and i mean full hole cards hand histories not personal ones
If you were a hard core reg would you want all of your HHs (with hole card information) available for your opponents to study with Holdem Manager?

Pokerstars banned the use of things like Poker Edge where people were pooling HHs and they stopped PTR from tracking them as well to combat this use of the data.

Dude - they do not give a damn how you do in the buck tournaments, and your requests have more ramifications than you realize, because you cannot think beyond your own world where you and your meaningless ROI are the main characters.

I will not say your user name without permission, but if you were honest about your lifetime total prizes, rake paid, tournaments played etc. over the years - why would Stars spend any time or resources to do any rig against you at all?

Grow up already, drop the weed, try to learn to control the massive tilt and work on your game properly if you want to try to make money in the industry. If you are casual playing for fun with meaningless money, then do as many drugs as you like and whine about any rig you want to makeup if that makes the experience more enjoyable for you.

All the best.

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01-19-2015 , 08:12 PM
also i was excluding my numbers from mtts to avoid exactly what u were saying and i did mention a delay of 10 years , if u really know poker u know strategies flutuate in a lesser spawn then 10 years

im not here to fright people monteroy but with so much rake its unfair that security is so weak

also i never refered personal rig system , what i said is that in such a system house bots would be needed to mantain stats in the normal sd so they could make free moves without interfering with
real players , more like a balancing stats bot to help the software

what i know is they dont release hands for serious investigation and the reg excuse is old and nonsense because now many years have passed

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01-19-2015 , 08:25 PM
How would hands from 2004 be of any use to you and your paranoid concerns.

Sharkscope ROI is basically meaningless. I do not know how many 180 mans you have played as you have not opted into Sharkscope, but if you have a 45%+ ROI in them over several thousand games then you have the best ROI in those games of any player on the planet, and that would make it pretty weird that you are complaining about it.

Sharkscope does not track rebuys properly, and there are other issues as well with the ROI figure, so as i told you - you are obsessing over a meaningless figure that has nothing to do with Pokerstars anyway, and whether Stars releases hands from 2004 or not will not change any of that.

If you are trying to be a serious player, then you are approaching the game in a really bad manner for that goal, and your paranoia about house bots and ROI will be a huge anchor on your development as a player. If you do not believe me, then take Jorgie's thought experiment that he did for me, not recognizing it should be for you.

All the best.
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