- Gone from online poker for six months.
- Getting the itch. Thinking of going back. Maybe in summer?
- Take 2 comes along. Essentially a free $25. Summer? Nah, make that now.
- On my urging, girlfriend also first-time deposits for $600 to max out the signup bonus, and get Take 2 as well. $50 between the two of us.
- Find out next day about the scary PMI multi-charging. Start second-guessing decision to come back to online poker.
- Considering closing both bank accounts for safety reasons if deposits don't clear in a reasonable timeframe.
- Deposits deducted from both of our bank accounts in 2 business days (phew, what a "RELIEF" that we didn't have to wait!)
- Complete 8 days of Take 2, log in to finish off the final touch
- LOL FBI
- Neither of us able to complete final pip of Take 2, girlfriend's bonus ticks toward inevitable expiration, money locked up forever(?)
- FUTURE PMI MULTI-DIP? GUESS WE'LL SEE!

[ X ] Worst timing in history

I haven't played on/logged into full tilt since 2/2/2011. But Ijust noticed that ftp made an unauthorized $400 withdrawal from my bank account on 4/12/2011. this is infuriating!

I am going to start calling my bank and pmi monday morning. thanks for posting this helpful info.

That date doesn't match any known PMI withdrawals. Before you place blame on this particular situation, make sure they're not just late in processing a normal transaction -- delays are common now.

In nobody-cares-because-of-Black-Friday news,

I received the following email from my bank a couple of hours ago,

Dear XXXXX,
Customer Number: XXXXXX

We have a few questions to ask you about some recent activity on your account(s). Don't worry, it shouldn't take long to clear this up.

And the account is currently frozen. I'll update shortly if this is PMI and/or FTP related. It included contact hours, but I just missed them for Sunday.

November and December were last I deposited at Full Tilt. March 16th they took out $20 under the name FTPayments and March 28th they took out another $20 under FTPayments. I think these are duplicate charges from 11/15 when I deposited $20 twice. I sent an e-mail to my bank about getting these March charges reversed...

did you ever get charged when you deposited on 11/15.

$200 to you might not mean much and that varies from each person.

You feel for FTP that bad? They made $1.5 million a day in profits. How much more bad can you feel for them. For them it's about $$ not just 'caring about our poker needs'.

You really think FTP would've gone through this trouble if they weren't making $1.5 million a day? Wake up JFC.

LOL

My question is whether "PMI" is, or will be, one of the processors whose operations the DOJ seized and shut down.

Brag: no more multi-dip withdrawals
Beat: try getting them to answer the phone NOW

My issue was unrelated. I had a number of transactions from a live casino bender the other night, and it looked like a cash-dump, so on top of everything else, I just likely hit the potential fraud threshold.

Seriously - with the DOJ issues with FTP and mgmt focus on this.... I would not be surprise if the so called people behind the PMI felony thefts of unsuspecting FTP bank accounts being stolen from continues in late April and the months to follow. Besides folks on this forum, there probably are hundreds if not thousands of FTP players/customers that have no idea their bank accounts are being stolen from each month.

So while everyone is up in arms about the shutdown by the DOJ, poker players bank accounts will most likely continue to be stolen from by the PMI crime ring effecting FTP online poker players/customers.

So one of the winners of black friday is no doubt the crooks stealing from poker players bank accounts each month as the focus of FTP mgmt and many poker players will not be on the massive collective felony thefts taking place here. (but the reality is FTP mgmt was trying to sweep this felony theft ring they were indirectly or directly involved with under the carpet anyways before the DOJ issue hit the fan).

Now considering FTP is not allowing Americans to play, wouldn't it be great for FTP to mass email all of these folks to let them know their bank accounts could have been stolen from in Jan, Feb , March and potential upcoming months - so that non Two Plus Two visitors (which is the majority of FTP players) can get their stolen money back and also to prevent being stolen from in the future.). Afterall, FTP even without the U.S. players is still making a very profitable amount of money each day. They remain in business and thus need to address this PMI issue. They did not shut down their business and tables worldwide when the DOJ issue came to light last Friday. Therefore they should not shut down helping their loyal customers from getting robbed blindly here. Nor use the DOJ issue as a way to walk away from responsibility to this felony theft crime that could very well be continuing today as we speak.

At this point anything that happens between you, PMI, and your bank. Check your accounts online frequently, and report any unauthorized transactions immediately. If your bank is not helpful, show them the rules, report them to your state banking authority if necessary, get your money back, and then get a new bank.

Tim,

Excellent advice... but how does this help FTP players/customers that do not visit this forum (which is the majority of players). Many of their bank accounts have been stolen from in Jan, Feb, March and most likely again in the upcoming months - and they have no idea that as a result of them sending confidential info To FTP, that they are now being felony stolen from blindly. FTP is still in business making a ton of money each day (maybe not as much as before - but still a ton). FTP is still in business - thus they should not be taken off the hook from addressing this issue or at least notifying their loyal customer base that they were and continue to be stolen from.

Has anything like this ever happend with PokerStars?

Also, do banks change account numbers on request when you are concerned your account security has been compromised?

Hello, I just wanted to let you know I am also a victim in this PMI scam. I was locked out of my FTP account in August of 2010 after disputing a charge from them labeled " Western Clear" for July 2010, $10.00. I haven't been to Full Tilt Poker since. Starting at the end of January 2011 I have been charged $10.00 a month, the last charge being on 3/30/2011. I have recovered $20.00 from my bank (USAA) by disputing the charges. When I called this month to dispute the March charges, I asked about progress with the investigation to which I got no answers. I am keeping the account open to see if the fraud continues, seeing as atleast disputing the charges monthly might red flag someone and maybe help the investigation. My bank cannot block PMIs withdrawls because they withdraw from a different account number every month. I hope this helps someone, I will be back if I get a new charge at the end of the month.

Xo
-Tina

Yes.

I am also a victim of the PMI scam. $10 in Jan., Feb., and March. I had no clue as to what PMI was or where it was going. I just joined 2+2 since Black Friday to start getting as much information as possible. I just got back from my bank to change my account number about 20 minutes ago. I urge the rest of Full tilt players to do the same. Who knows what the next amount from PMI will be?

My question is this, Why did Full Tilt not alert it's players to the scam? They had to know it was happening. I'm sure players were e-mailing them, since Full Tilt had used PMI in the past. Yet it has been over 3 months since the scam has been in effect, and no freaking WARNING from Full Tilt!


Next question, What if PMI is not a " rogue" processor. It's hard for me to believe that " Black Friday" came as a complete shock to Full Tilt and Pokerstars. Nothing is " top secret" when a lot of people know about it. Certainly, these Pokersites had their " moles" in the DoJ, keeping them updated on what they were doing.

Bumping this back to the top with multiple users who didn't get automatic refunds.

I know that nobody cares because of Black Friday, but we're still getting screwed here.

Also, watch your accounts closely. It's nearly the end of the month....

Full tilt need to address this. As a euro player reading this thread I cannot comprehend trusting FTP with my banking information if what they claim on their webpage about keeping it safe is not true.

I find this thread as relevant now as it was before, if not moreso in some ways.

It's the 25th of the month. Historically speaking, it's time for us to watch our bank accounts again for suspicious activity.

Full Tilt Poker obviously thinks this isn't important any more. While I understand why, it's a shame they can't give us an update.

• Added dstock to the list of victims.
• Added soundcheckto the list of victims.

It seems that black friday might help people realize what is going on. We gained two more names on the list. Maybe when PMI takes money out this month we will get even more people

Back to the first page, at least until the end of the month -- when PMI has struck in the past.

bump it back up

this thread becomes a bit more curious with recent statements from full tilt wrt not being able to account for money and how it relates to letting US players cash out.

What is has in common at a minimum is that it seems like FTP has had an incredibly hard time accounting for where their/the players/whatever money has been going or is at any moment in time for quite some time now. That unawareness in turn becomes glacially slow moving resolution.

either way- back to the top where it belongs so people can be looking for these charges.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...rubin-1028916/

This puts a more sinister twist on tilt/stars/UB processors deliberately debiting players' accounts then only processing refunds when they got a complaint seems like exactly the sort of thing this guy would do