Agree with this.

It also makes me think of Stannis' "a bad doesn't cancel out a good and vice versa" philosophy. Davos saves him from starving and gets knighted, but also has 4 fingers chopped off for smuggling. Dany doesn't show any of that, she's kind of struggling in a Ned kind of way.

Oh right, I forgot about this. Selmy being in on it makes no sense now.

What happened is likely that Tywin sent a copy of the pardon to his contact, the contact gave it to Selmy and Selmy's only play is to give it to Dany because he's Ned-level honorable. He might've realized it was a play by Tywin but that wouldn't change his action. Granted, Selmy may have legitimate concerns with Jorah given that he doesn't know him or his motives. Dany otoh should have known better.

"spoiler" from the promo photo shoot a few weeks back! (safe to click if you've seen this week's episode, and if you haven't wtf are you doing in this thread already!)

Its nice but alot of people just enjoy theorycrafting about the plot and this can easily be correct sometimes ...

And yeah Sansa getting hotter each episode it seems, now massively cock teasing LF aswell

That vid of people's reactions made me realize I may not be as emotionally invested in this as some

Why didn't he just finish him? That's always been the problem with those flamboyant continental types.

Is it a draw?

No, he's ****ing dead.

Ugghhh, really hate to have gotten this mostly right as Oberyn was awesome. LOL, one time? Once Oberyn drove his spear in to his chest I was sure he had finished him and the twist was going to come from another source before the credits. Doesn't look like Tyrion has any claim to innocence now. Obviously, every viewer hopes he doesn't die. But couple of things are making me think that he does die:

1.) Tyrion's story has been him navigating the world of a noble birth with nothing else that would be deemed "noble". If he were to escape, he'd be stripped of all this. What capacity for maneuvering does he really have as a disgraced, murderous dwarf with no practical connection to the Lannister name. He'd be like an investment banker on a deserted island.

2.) Its episode 9.


Other random thoughts from the ep:

-Thought the actress who played Cersei did an awesome job during the fight. You could see her going from spiteful to worried to smug while barely even moving her lips

-I actually really liked the Arya laugh. I think it showed her harding in other aspects of her life.

-Someone a page or so back alluded to this, but if Tyrion goes, who is our next protagonist? Jon Snow and Dany have been way too one dimensional to carry that role for me. Stannis is a religious nut case. I guess Little Finger if they can make him a little less creepy or Davos if they are going to bring him in to fold more

People who just laugh at that scene are weird.

good call on the Cersei subtlety in that scene.


thought another great scene not really mentioned yet was the guy who axed the dude is given his options and then it cuts to flayed him. buhrutal.

Didn't get what you meant by this and thought in might be in the reaction vids, but realized it that it was what I wrote. The LOL I wrote was for Lord of Light, meaning hoping for a resurrection like Thoros. Definitely was not laughing there

This is one of my problems with this season. *Nobody* cares. As bumbling a detective as Ned was, his trying to figure out the Jon Arynn mystery at least gave us some conventional narrative hooks to drag us along.

I wish we had a side story where someone (Jamie, Bronn, Varys, anyone) was working on solving the Joffrey mystery, giving us one more possibility of a Tyrion acquittal. I know a major theme is that power trumps truth, but that doesn't mean you can't give us something to root for, even if it ultimately falls short.

I think for the general viewing audience, Dany is already one of, if not the main protagonist. She is naive and disliked by OOT, but she is as straight at it comes. She doesn't even have any minor vices like Tyrion. I have to believe that most viewers want to see her and her dragons conquer Westeros.

I thought it was overdone and tonally off. Hard to blame Maisie Williams because I think she's been a clear top 5 actor in the cast so far, but I would have preferred just a knowing head shake to the Hound with a "dude, that's a bad ****ing beat" smirk and maybe cracking herself up, rather than a wide shot of her guffaw echoing through the canyon.

But nitpick is nitpicky.

Jorah should have just let Dany drink the poison and die. Take his pardon and go back to his life, no good deed goes unpunished.

no, I did mean the guy in the reaction video just doubling over laughing - unless its just some nervous laughter because he knows he's being videoed - or just staged.

Omg of thrones.

Seems like a shady way to win. To pretend your dead then cheap shot.

If I was judge I'd say the price won before he was killed.

Littlefinger is the biggest player. From nothing to being a contender to the Throne.

Jorah's attempt to explain/apologise to Dany could hardly have been less enthusiastic. No idea how he stays relevant now, though I suspect he'll appear from nowhere and save the day at some point.

Combat scene tilted the life out of me. I just knew Oberyn was pushing his luck all the way through it and I was kind of pleased when he got his head squished; there's a time and a place for showboating, and a fight to the death vs the most fearsome warrior in the land is not it. What a life fish he turned out to be. Of course, my happiness level went from "Robyn when a bad man flies out of the moon door" to "unsullied thinking what he'd do to Missandrei then realising... d'oh" when I remembered that he'd also just doomed Tyrion

I like the new streetwise Sansa. Hopefully she'll now take over Ned's role (and that of the now presumably doomed Tyrion) as the viewer's rooting interest. Sansa could emerge from all this in pretty good shape for a long-term throne challenge with Littlefinger alongside her to play the Tywin puppet-master role and Arya on board as the resident kickass ninja. I'm assuming the young titty-guzzling prince isn't going to be kept around for any longer than he's of use to Baelish, who I'm sure won't be stupid enough to attempt to control a lunatic monarch, having seen how that turned out for Tyrion.

Just on the Jorah situation; Didn't he already get pardoned?

In that referenced episode where he saved Dany from getting poisoned, didn't he receive a letter saying he was free to leave but decided to stay anyway?

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

AFAIK, Roose Bolton had no non-basterd children so far. This would mean that the first son he has with his Frey wife would have become his heir. I think the Freys might be pissed-off about Ramsey's new status.

this story takes a very, very dim view of any action born of passion

If Tyrion dies i'm done with got # team Tyrion !!

I didn't break down with laughter or anything, but I laughed a couple seconds after his head popped after the initial surprise had worn off. It was so over the top. The fact that it was so over the top made me very aware that I was watching a TV show so the sense of disgust just wasn't there for me like it most definitely would be if I saw something like that happen to an actual person. That particular death was almost like cartoon violence which just doesn't bother me like more realistic violence.

I often laugh at horror/gore movies that others find scary for the same reason.

With Tyrion about to get the axe (pun intended) I wonder who is the moral compass on the show and suggest sir davos is probably my lead.

On to some points and questions, firstly the iron born sure like to hit the leader from behind, first theon gets whacked in the head after his nice speech and now the leader of the fort gets splashed. im staying in the back if im a soldier. the offer theon offered was exactly what ramses offered the iron born back in winterfelll, does that mean ramses flayed them as well? seemed to me they made off just fine but again that was simply implied so who knows??

and its been said many times but the mountain killing oberyn was the most gruesome way to die ive ever seen