RE: Tyrion and fate. The point I've been trying to make isn't that Tyrion hasn't had *some* role in his problems, but that if he dies it is a destiny that was created before he had any choice. Remember Oberyn's story about how Cersei wanted him dead when he was a baby? Tyrion said "Cersei always gets what she wants". This entire show has shown us over and over about how Tyrion was afflicted by his condition no matter what, before he could even walk. If the very people who are responsible for this (Tywin and Cersei) end up killing him, it means that Tyrion's fate was always set. He couldn't have gotten out of it by not being a whoremonger or drinker or mouthing off to Joffrey. He's not on trial for those reasons. He's on trial because his father and sister hate him

He's our most sympathetic protagonist. Any writer who kills him this way is a total psychopath. It's worse than Oedipus. At least Oedipus' demise can be said to be because of his hubris. If Tyrion dies it means he was ****ed from birth no matter what


I'm picking Tyrion to live. This isn't the entire reason why. My main reason is that so far all the deaths have been surprises in a "he wasn't supposed to die" way. Even the portrayal of Mountain and Oberyn this season was an attempt by the writers to make the entire audience think that Mountain was a goner.

Tyrion will live because he is supposed to die. That is my prediction. I think he will look like he's about to die, but will be saved by something at the last minute. Tyrion was right when he screamed at his father: "I'm on trial for being a dwarf!" Only the most sadistic mother****er on the planet would kill him now. Doing that is basically the writers telling the audience "yep, he was on trial for being a dwarf. **** him, **** you, tune in next week or **** your mother"

I think the sore thumb that sticks out is Tywin. Someone seems to want to mess with the Lannisters and he seems to not give a ****.

Cersei does care but I think she's legitimately convinced it was Tyrion. Bronn has no incentives. Jaime would maybe be interested in finding out in order to clear Tyrion, but he also knows that once Tywin wants to frame Tyrion finding out the truth wouldn't change the outcome. And as far as Joffrey goes Jaime hasn't never really cared about him afaik.

I agree that the total of none ****s given is a bit annoying though, they should give us something. I'm curious what Varys knows. I can't believe he'd be completely in the dark and he would want to know what's up.

Yes, totally this.

Yeah I agree, same for Jon. I agree with the earlier "one-dimensional" critique but they seem like pretty major protagonists to me.

Ramsay states in his letter to Balon that he flayed the twenty Iron Born that he captured at Winterfell.

Why do people care that nobody, except Cersei, gives a **** about Joffrey dying?

**** him.

i agree with what you write. but tyrion has to die. he will die because he's supposed to die. because his father said he puts family first but isnt putting family first and is going to blow up his house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyh9w_AO3YE

It reminded me of Spartacus. I miss that show.

jorah could just go full saltydog and send ravens all over westeros with info about dany's future plans while telling her he would stop if she unbanned him from the throne room. she would have no choice but to give in, it's just too good of a revenge strategy.

that's your reason?

every single person at best gets fired in jorah's spot

most of them are killed for treason

Yeah Tywin not seeming to care is weird, but I think there's still a good chance he knows what happened and may even have been pulling the strings.

There can still (and probably will) be some investigation in the next season by Tyrion if he lives or someone else if he dies, but the stakes will be much lower than with Tyrion on death row pending the results. Like did we even get a scene of Tyrion himself trying to piece together who did it?

I get what you're going for here but it's still a little narrow. There's no way Tyrion has been portrayed as a more sympathetic protagonist than Ned was in s1. Especially after most of s3 was spent with him trying to hide Shae. He could totally die at this point. He's no more innocent than the scores of truly innocent people we've seen slaughtered.

I have to agree with you there. The part where the Mountain was thumbing his eyes was brutal to watch but the entire part where his head exploded was just to silly and cartoonish to have a real reaction. Was more bummed out that Oberyn died then shocked at the gore.

maybe it's better explained in the books or something, but i'm not getting why stannis would go to the wall. that's being really bad at playing the game of thrones.

I assume Baelish has to keep Robin around. If Robin dies, one of Robin's uncles or cousins should become the new Lord of the Vale, not Baelish.

yeah, Varys would definitely want to know. His whole existence revolves around information and "Who killed the King?" is about as powerful a piece as you can know.

And Jamie should care as he'd want to save Tyrion and probably also like to know who killed his son.

OOTV mods: any way to delete the users who have spoilers in their usernames? Some posts were deleted but there was a spoiler in one of the usernames, and since I can see their usernames even after the posts were deleted, it'd be great if that could be done. I realize that might be a little extra work only for one TV-watcher (me), but I would really, really appreciate it.

yeah, this is a great plan. the second he got back into the throne room he would get either beheaded or barbecued or both.

Lol at "going full saltydog". I'm glad that's a thing now!

I can see that perspective now, but at the time I didn't have to suspend much disbelief to think a 6'8" 420 pound monster could do that

Yes the very first scene in the dungeon he was ruling out suspects.

The beetle story was bothering me for a while because I couldn't find a point to it (still can't) but then I read this response and it seems to make sense

Because Lady Melissandra said it's more important.

Anyone have an interpretation of tyrions (long) beetle story? I was kind of hoping he would end with a point to the story..

Kind of surprised nobody has cited this Deadwood fight scene as a parallel yet.

[x] Brawn between two main players
[x] Epic buildup
[x] One guy has it won but deliberately decides to extend the fight
[x] ending

He got his ass kicked trying to conquer KL once, and he's listening to Mellisandre now, who is probably right.