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08-02-2012 , 02:20 AM
470 on the turn
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08-02-2012 , 10:19 AM
I usually find it tough when I'm in a hand with players at the opposite end of the nit spectrum. I think the only thing you get value from villain 1 by betting the turn is TT/JJ. Even he'd likely raise KK/AA pre or otf and likely AKdd otf. And while 9s are in SB's range, it's not all THAT likely, and most rando drunks would just raise flop with a 9 because they have top pair (consistent with your previous read as well).

All in all, I think I b/f the turn vs V1 and b/c against V2. Granted, in game in your situation (last hand, up, ready to leave, chance to lose a lot), I'd probably try to keep the pot small as well - yeah it's bad thinking but we all do it.
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08-02-2012 , 04:46 PM
I don't think V2 would have CR'd me on the flop with just 9x. He has an idea I have a strong hand here, he even made some sort of comment about me raising pre 5x from utg before calling from the SB.

Turn is still a kind of ****ty card for me because it's something that V2 can attempt to rep if he tries to jam his draws. He can't really check/call 2 streets oop and hope to get in money when he hits river, and since he's drunk and aggro to boot I think he has to check/shove most of the time vs me when I bet the turn.

Thinking about it more that's even a better reason to bet turn, I'm really missing out on a lot of value by slowing down. No way I can get two streets out of villain 2 without double barreling unless villain improves on the back end.

Results:

I lead $250 on the river, villain 1 tanks and calls. Villain 2 snap folds. V1 had JJ. V2 claims to have had AXdd.

Not too sure if a larger river bet gets payed off by V1 based on how nitty he is. He also has V2 left to act behind him.
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08-10-2012 , 01:13 AM
Nothing special about this hand but maybe a push to get some of you guys back to the online world

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($89.77)
BB ($25.75)
UTG ($30.10)
CO ($71.97)
Hero ($37.93)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, SB raises to $2.50, fold, Hero raises to $7.50, SB calls $5

FLOP ($15.50) 7 Q Q

SB bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

TURN ($46.50) 7 Q Q 7

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($46.50) 7 Q Q 7 3

SB checks, Hero bets $14.93 (AI), SB calls $14.93

Hero shows A A
(Pre 82%, Flop 92.0%, Turn 95.5%)

SB shows 2 2
(Pre 18%, Flop 8.0%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $73.36
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08-10-2012 , 11:48 PM
i guess he knew you were bluffing on the river
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08-11-2012 , 10:25 AM
^^^LMAO omg^^^

(200NL) Not a very interesting hand but wanted to get thoughts on preflop action...and I had to leave in around 1/2 hour, hence not rebuying before.

Villain is an aggressive white chick, and maybe one of three girls in the place. Not extremely horrible but does overvalue hands - both pre and postflop, got to river with some hands that should've folded pre to raises and that kind of thing. Will also bet, bet, bet with 2nd pair.

She sees me as a shove box right now, since I was down to like $30, doubled up and then recently doubled again through her ~ 5 hands ago when she called my ~$50 shove and my AK outdrew her 66. She also says I'm very lucky (which I have been recently as my 77 > AA in the first double up, but not against her).

So on to the hand...

Hero (~$120)
Villain (covers)

UTG - Fold
UTG+1 - Calls $2
Hero (utg+2) KK - Raises $10
Folds to Villain - Raises $25 after thinking and saying (hmm....I have to protect my hand)
Folds around to hero with ~$110 behind..

So - given reads: hero calls, raises to ~$50, or shoves?
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08-11-2012 , 11:17 AM
With 60 bbs just jam it in there. She seems like the type that will talk herself into a call regardless of her two cards(87s, hmm I have odds...). Since she reads you as a shove box, it's even better. If it was button vs BB I'd 4 bet small but given your position it's going to be really hard to induce weaker.
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08-11-2012 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dipstikdave
i guess he knew you were bluffing on the river
Only explanation is he didn't read the board correctly or he thinks 3 pair beats 2 pair. The only hand he chops with is if I had the other combo of 22. LOL 50NL.
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08-11-2012 , 02:40 PM
her 3bet is scary, her speech is scarier, but you're not folding...shoving is the only option...she's pretty much never 3bet folding.
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08-11-2012 , 02:47 PM
K now for some table talk...

Hero shoves.

Villain tanks for a minute (hero relaxes obv). She makes another speech about me being lucky, asks if I have AK again. Turns TT over face up and asks if I want her to call and makes a comment about me must not wanting to hit the bad beat jackpot (quads beaten by quads or better).

Last time she asked the same question in the AK hand, and I just said "it's up to you" and she called with 66. So do we say the same thing again? Or just go into a shell and act nervous?
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08-11-2012 , 03:22 PM
I wouldn't say anything.

Gotta love the 3bet/tank lines with TT.
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08-11-2012 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
I wouldn't say anything.

Gotta love the 3bet/tank lines with TT.
Makes live play so much more enjoyable than online imo. And damn, the trolls are getting creative, eh Slick?

Last edited by Doublez-Down; 08-11-2012 at 03:35 PM.
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08-11-2012 , 03:51 PM
5/10 bb game. I have about $600 in front, villain has $350.

Villain is a recreational player. He's pretty loose, quite aggro in spots, and not enjoyable to play against when on my left. He's prone to tilting, plays some hands just out of boredom, limp/calls frequently and isn't afraid to get it in at all. About 20 hands ago I saw him look down at AQo and fold it in a limped pot because he wasn't happy with how he was running with big Ax hands. Lucky for me he's been on my immediate right all day, but now he's moved across with table and is 3-4 spots on my right.

My image is very solid. Most of the table is decent and makes up a group that largely respects my game. Because of this I've just been taking down a ton of small/medium pots and chipping up over the couple hours I've been here. I've yet to be all in or have someone else all in vs me.

Hero opens to $40 UTG with A Q. Villain flats. BB also flats.

Flop ($125): 8 4 3

BB checks. I cbet $85. Villain insta ships his stack in essentially before I'm finished cutting my cbet on the felt. BB insta folds and its on me. I have an inkling this his range is heavily weighted towards flush draws, he's probably not flatting 33/44/88 pre vs me and might actually consider his line with 99-JJ before jamming because my UTG range still consists of a lot of overpairs.

The pot is now $520 and it's $225 to call. I'm getting a little bit more than 2.3:1 and against two diamonds I'm a super small favorite (like 51% I'm guessing).

I have the A in my hand which removes one of his outs and gives me the redraw should he hold a flush draw and hit the turn. I call.

Meh?
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08-11-2012 , 04:00 PM
pokerstove
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08-11-2012 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crackedquads
I call. Meh?
Can I have your ballz?
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08-14-2012 , 02:49 AM
So a semi-interesting spot. 5/10.

I have about $700, villain has about $900. I do not have personal history with villain but I do know he plays the larger 5/10 game in the pit from time to time. He's about 50, seems competent. Another 5/10 pit reg approached him trying to get a pit game started (there wasn't one running at the time) and villain and two other guys from my table sign up on an interest list. Villain has been pretty tight and straightforward the entire time I've been at the table. He hasn't raised a lot of hands and hasn't called many (if any, IDR) of my opens.

We're 7 handed. I open to $30 with A Q from UTG+1. Villain flats OTB.

Flop ($75): T 9 8

I imagine villains flatting range is pretty tight vs my EP open and this board doesn't hit that flatting range a whole lot. He probably just folds most of the time vs a cbet but I elect to check. Checking probably isn't ideal but my equity vs any thing he holds is pretty good so I don't mind giving a rare free card here. In retrospect I don't think checking is ideal, if we cbet and he folds no big deal, but for the times villain does have a hand I'd like to build a pot asap before I improve as improving may kill my action.

Villain checks behind.

Turn ($75): J

I lead for $40. Villain raises to $140 without much hesitation. Given his image and the confidence I'm feeling from the raise he just made, I think he really only has Qx or KQ here. If he has Qx I'm freerolling the river, so I'd like to put more money in now. I can get another bet out of him and set up a nice river spot should a spade peel off. On the other hand, if he has KQ I'm toast but I have a redraw.

Thoughts on reraising a competent semi-nit vs just flatting?

I can flat the raise, c/c blank rivers, c/r spade rivers or lead spade rivers.
I can reraise the turn, if he flats I can lead spade rivers and c/c blanks.
And if we actually get 4b/jammed into after reraising vs this guy, should we be calling or folding?
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08-14-2012 , 03:58 AM
Bet the flop, or bet the flop, one of the two. I think you want him to fold any weakish pair he can, and inflating the power draw, even OOP, isn't so bad.

Whether you think he can fold TP-ish hands if the board blanks would influence my plan if he flats the flop (more folds, more aggro). If he raises, effective ship it in and not disappoint.
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08-14-2012 , 07:29 AM
I don't mind keeping the pot small until we make our hand, as a lot of these types don't go crazy until they have the nuts. So I'd probably check flop as well (betting is hardly wrong obv), and I'd just call turn. There just isn't much Qx in his range vs. your EP open, so this is very likely KQ/AQ.
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08-14-2012 , 06:17 PM
I'm only not betting draws when I don't want to get blown off them...that can't happen here, so I bet to get money in the pot, with a little fold equity. He also will call flop, fold turn some.

As played, I was going to say just call. But, if you are never folding, then I guess get stacks in now so he can't check back river when the flush hits, or fold to ur donk.
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08-14-2012 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by crackedquads
Checking probably isn't ideal but my equity vs any thing he holds is pretty good so I don't mind giving a rare free card here.
This doesn't make sense....you want to build the pot when you have good equity v any hand...checking is disaster in losing value v tons of hands...
say he has Q9 or QT on this turn, you would have the pot bloated nicely on flop
to give yourself a more rewarding freeroll from the turn+ on this straight card.


QK-Q8
I think QJ and QT are discounted from flop check, and he's a semi nit
so i'm gonna give him Q9 and Q8 quite a bit less than he has QK, and
we're opting to punt $700 with outs versus that hand

I think he has QK too often to reraise, , call and see a river, absolutely bomb a K or spade because he'll
convince himself that you are trying to get him off a chop.

c/c blank rivers but if he makes it enormous maybe sigh and fold.
He'll size it bigger with QK than other Qx hands you chop with on average.
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08-14-2012 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
then I guess get stacks in now so he can't check back river when the flush hits, or fold to ur donk.
Ya, good one. LOL
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08-14-2012 , 10:22 PM
putting money in the pot when we have a lot of equity = good poker

not putting money in the pot when we have a lot of equity = bad poker
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08-15-2012 , 02:31 PM
I'd prob call and jam all kings, spades, board pairs and cc the rest.
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08-19-2012 , 03:37 PM
I flatted the turn. River was the 5 and I lead for $250. Villain tanks and folds a Queen face up.
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08-19-2012 , 03:38 PM
So I bricked my phone by jumping into the ocean with it a few days ago. Realized last night that I've lost pretty much all my live data for the month because I save it all to a notepad file. I usually also keep track of it in another manner but I've slacked on that since the beginning of the month.
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