I guess that's what it comes down to, right?

I don't really see minbetting fish bluffing pot on the river regularly. It seems like they've always got at least something when I call.

This. Flop raise is standard, turn could also be a raise but calling is perfectly fine, River is pretty much a snap call since air and worse aces will make up a decent part of his range and I don't think raising river here is a good idea.

AKs - was this the guy who almost always bet pot post flop? If so, that might be good info to post about that hand.

Different villains. This guy is a loose passive pre, minbet every street kind of guy.

This one is for you and Cha. Villain was 9/7 over about 90 hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($28.13)
MP ($27.14)
CO ($36.08)
Button ($25)
Hero (SB) ($26.26)
BB ($34.57)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 9
1 fold, MP bets $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, MP calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75) 6, A, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, MP calls $4.50

Turn: ($15.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($15.75) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $9.24, MP raises to $19.39 (All-In), Hero calls $9.27 (All-In)

Total pot: $52.77 | Rake: $2.63

This hand seems standard. I might not 3b a nit MP raise with 98s but that's prolly a full ring convention.

Yo quit 3betting the nits lol, especially a 9/7. Jesus I'm looser than that in a full ring game. 3betting with SC's is fine but personally I'd rather call in position and try to flop a big hand/take the pot away postflop.

Edit: Didn't see you're oop. I'd just fold it pre then.

3 betting nits is profitable usually b/c they don't like to flat 3b pots even with position.

Maybe nits in general but not someone this nitty. If he's raising say top 6% in MP and only plays back top 3% in a 3 bet pot, that means he's only folding half the time which makes the $3.25 raise to try and win $1.35 a -EV play.

When SCs hit, they hit the flop hard, so I'm not super concerned about being OOP. It's fit or fold. Plus, this guys range is so clearly defined, it makes it even easier.

Dunno, I don't see a lot of positional issues with this particular hand. If it was something like AQ, absolutely bad. But suited connectors, not so much.

SCs don't hit that hard most of the time. You'll flop 1 crappy pair a lot and draws of varying strength more than monster draws and 2pr+

Then I'm done vs. this guy, obv.

Didn't actually read the hand I thought you were calling a 3bet.

I'd rather just flat SCs against a guy that tight.

Its definately much harder to get paid off oop because most of the time you'll be flopping draws not made hands. He can check back for pot control, fold when the obvious flush draw hits, ect. Small PPs on the other hand are much easier to play oop because you won't be flopping draws you'll be flopping made sets.

I dont like calling oop w/ suited connectors much. I dont like 3betting nits opening from MP with them either. I'd just fold preflop here.

OK, since I am monopolizing the thread now, what about this interesting(?) spot?:

Villains are typical 24/20s. Pretty tame and straightforward post flop.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed)

CO ($30.94)
Hero (Button) ($31.49)
SB ($43.31)
BB ($35.37)
UTG ($28.33)
MP ($17.58)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 8
1 fold, MP bets $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3) 10, 7, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.25, MP calls $2.25, Hero ???

Who calls here, and who raises?

I don't raise unless I know more about BB. I think BB doesn't fold the vast majority of the hands he's leading out here. Can't count on BB to fold AT/KT/JT vs our raise and with MP around our bet won't discourage him from folding the drawing hands in his range. I think MP folds just about always if we raise though. Considering we're 3 way I'd just flat, one of these guys can pay us off if we hit.

Anyone else's images for the suits broken?

octaveshift...I like the 3bet vs the nit to be honest. The people that are against haven't done much work with the numbers.

A 9/7 isn't opening 6% from MP. He's opening much wider than that and folding to 3bet a decent amount. Also, it doesn't have to be +EV. If you pick a few SC type hands to 3bet the nits with you are doing good to create a decent value/air ratio.

This hand is a good example. Let's say you've decided you'll 3bet the nits with 89s/87s/76s/AA/KK/QQ...it means that you have a air to nuts ratio of close to 1:1. Which is a pretty low air to nut ratio, which will be hard for them to exploit. Also, you got to show this hand down, and now they think cause you 3bet 98s, you are 3betting like a monkey which will make ur QQ+ 3bets more profitable.

Yeah, thought it was just on my iphone but it seems its been the same on my pc for the last couple days. Driving me crazy when looking at these hands so I haven't really been commenting.

Mark me down as someone that raises.

I have a few reasons....some of them maybe bad for these stakes, but that's my reasoning and I'm sticking too it.

You have not given a read on the SB, so I'll assume he's a donk. Also, I'll assume that given the tag stats of the other two they are decent. So, why is the bb betting, when he has good relative position on the field, and he could c/r his big hands (this is ignoring the fact that you can't count on this flop texture getting cbet, but most people assume pfr will cbet regardless of board texture.) after the pfr cbets, or hero stabs on his button?

Also, if pfr has a big hand, with this texture, I'd expect him to raise a lot.

Finally, I don't want to take a 9high fd against 3 other opponents. I want to drive out better flush draws.

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It's fine for me...

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I tend to just try getting it all in here. you've got great equity even when up against a set, and raising also may get a better flush draw to fold. I can see merits to calling with a couple of players in the hand, plus we have position so we may get to see two more streets really cheaply if that's the route we want.

Yeah I really don't mind raising, couldn't see we had OESD+FD.

Against compotent regs I would raise it here and expect to take it down a huge amount of the time. You can easily rep a set by raising here and the regs can't continue unless they have a set of their own. Calling here might actually be a bad idea since theres a very good chance one of the regs could have a nut flush draw here, mainly BB, and hitting the flush would obv be bad in that case.