pre, my bet-sizing varied from $10-$15. i'm surprised you guys say fold, i thought i was getting pretty good implied odds.

anyway here is the rest of the hand:

hero (utg) 10 10 raise to $10
7 folds (omg!)
villain (sb) 3bets to $30, i call

pot ($60)

flop 7 8 J

villain checks, hero checks

pot ($60)

turn 9

villain checks, hero bets $40, villain calls

pot ($140)

river K

villain checks, hero?

if you know ur getting good implied odds, how come you don't know what to do when he checks this board to you?

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Turn bet looks good. But that's a terrible river for you. But bluffing is not good. You'd be trying to get him to fold some air type 3bet hand like AJ, QJ.

Value betting is obviously not good because there's really no range you could construct that you have 50% equity against.

Bet, we have a straight vs a villain that is not likely capable of check raising a bluff.

lol...missed that we turned a straight. Thought we had a pair of Ts. It's still kinda close on the river though because he has to call >50% with non flushes, our straight is obvious. But I think he rarely has a flush. He cbets air some decent % on the flop. He leads flush draws a lot on the turn. And even donks flush some on the river.

I think I shove river. Many sets will call any amount, if you bet $100 I would sigh call the rest because some people overvalue KK and AA even on this board, so I would get owned by flush if beat either way.
QQ probably folding to a big bet, everything else (AK,KK,AA,JJ) will call any amount in my experience in this 1/3 rio game (played it) so i'd just ship it.

I think there's little chance he calls a shove with worse unless hero is an aggrotard and has some overbetting history.

definitely value bet river. shove might be good but idk stack sizes

I had a think about this and I think shove is far from best.
That said, the only options are 40-60$ or shove, I think any amount in between is losing value from the sizing or not getting called enough.

I would bet small $60 and expect him to call with a wide range
It highlighted a huge leak of mine that I tend to bet big on rivers just cause,
but we should increase his calling range instead of never getting a jam called
thanks to this thread again

A problem with betting small and getting called is that you cant tell if the person would have called more or how you should have changed your sizing, but if you bet all-in and get a fold you can be sure you should have bet less.
I just mean there are certain players who stick with small sizing everywhere
and justify it by how often they get called... which they prefer to making big bets and getting perhaps less calls but making more profit per bet.

Dave, you think you're getting good implied odds preflop w $250 stack? Against range of JJ+AK+ we're just not, we need 20x if not at least 15x behind to "almost setmine" and people will go gung ho on you on low boards and make you fold when they have the AK part anyway

playing exclusively live now, I see a few regs that are so desperate to always get paid something when they make a hand, that they actually bet size in a way that basically makes it impossible for them to ever be profitable against me because they really minimize my mistakes, and they make a tonne of mistakes versus me.

Semi-interesting spot:

5/10 short version. Late Friday night, it's about midnight. I've been here about an hour. I have about $400, villain has me about 2x covered. Villain is about 40, I've never played with him before. He's definitely not a reg, but knows the name of the woman on my left who is a reg. He's a big guy and is wearing a University of Miami 1991 championship ring, apparently he used to play some ball. He also looks to be a wee bit intoxicated.

He's doing some bizarre things, such as open minraising 74o utg. He then proceeds to check a bad flop for his hand (QJ6ss iirc) and then double barreled the turn and river after turning 4th pair. Later on vs him I open from EP with AJ, he calls first, then I get two other callers. We all check a K87cc flop, I bet the 8 turn, villain flats, and we check/check a blank river. He has K3o.

Hand: I'm in the SB with QJo. There's 2 limpers to me and I complete. BB checks.

Flop: J97r. I lead for $25. Villain flats as does the CO.

Turn: 4

I lead for $50, villain flats, CO folds. My plan for the river is to check/call almost everything since I think I'm ahead but I don't think I can get another street of value from him if he has much worse. If he has a straight draw and misses or something like bottom pair+draw he may bet river if unimproved.

River: 9

Villain is IP but quickly reaches for stacks before I act (re: likely being drunk). I elect to check and villain pushes $200 into the $215 pot. He actually strings bet here though, and his bet stands at $100 instead of the $200 that he intended to bet.

Thoughts?

the fact he quickly reached for a stack makes me want to fold...getting half price makes it closer.

Turns out villain's ring was a 2001 championship ring (it says it on the ring), but apparently he bought it at a pawn shop, lol.

I call, villain shows T7.

Two spots I'd like feedback on:

UTG: $1200
UTG+1: $800
BTN: $200
SB: $800
BB (Hero): $500

BTN straddles. BTN is a reg, but he is bad. He's super stationy but quite passive. He'll do stuff like limp/call shoves with AK with 20bbs, he straddles his BTN close to 100% of the time, but almost never raises his option. He'll call shoves with a ton of hands he wouldn't raise with himself.

UTG+1: Old recreational player, he's a super friendly to everyone, and has been pretty chatty with me since I've sat down. He doesn't play a ton of hands but tends to overplay his big ones, Ie with a limper in front of him he'll make raise 10x with high pairs.

SB completes, I call in BB with 6c6h. UTG and UTG+1 also call, BTN checks his option.

Flop ($100): K K 8

Checks around.

Turn: 2

Sb checks, I lead for $45. UTG+1 flats, everyone else folds.

River ($190): 8

I get counterfeited, and lead for $100.







Hand 2

I forget all the position specifics but of what I do recall:

MP: $600
BB (Hero): ~$800
UTG: $900

MP straddles (Mississippi straddle), he's the villain with the UM championship ring from the QJ hand I posted about. Earlier I iso'd his straddle with KQ and he shipped it on me with A6o for about 2.3x my raise.

UTG: He's about 60, I see him from time to time, occasionally plays 2/5. I don't have any history with him but he's been very tight in the time (~2-3 hours) that I've been at the table. This may be attributed to me opening and iso'ing a bunch on his immediate right. I don't recall him calling a raise of mine since I've been here. The only hand I've seen him shown down was a pot he raised pre, had KK.

2 people flat call the MP straddle and I raise with J J to $80. UTG on my left flat calls, everyone else folds. I believe his range here is probably TT+/AQs/AK. He doesn't 3 bet me with 5 players to act so I don't think he has AA/KK.

Flop (~$245): 8 7 6

I cbet $175. Villain calls.

Turn ($595): A


Hero?

I like hand one. He's been counterfeit some times aswell. He'll fold busted fd, and maybe even A high.

Hand 2: I probably bet fold. I don't expect to get shoved on very often, you still hard all pair+draws. I could see just checking as he'll check back a decent amount, but I think his call range > bet range.

Hand 1
I probably raise to $100 preflop
Flop is fine
Turn definitely don't lead

Your options after you bet the turn are really bad. You have poor visibility on everyones hands...people can still have flushes, trips, even if you are weak when you bet and get called its 4 way and you usually have to check/decide and then its obvious you are weak and are in danger of getting bet out of the pot often. I think if you bet turn you usually end up c/f river. You cannot bluff much because you haven't a blocker -- if you make a flush it will usually be beat, if you do not you will usually be bluffed.
If you're going to lead bet $80 or pot, your bet accomplishes nothing with this size.

River maybe a bet is ok because a lot of his big Ax combinations will raise preflop? I wouldn't be surprised to see him call Axhx I think he needs to tend to JxQh type hands for you to be able to bluff. I feel that when weak players see counterfeited boards with Ace high they do that thing where a lightbulb goes off, they can suddenly read hands and call (usually correctly).

Hand 2
Raise the $20 straddle to more, 4x with limpers and oop is not enough imo. I'd go at least $120.
"He doesn't 3 bet me with 5 players to act so I don't think he has AA/KK."? Hmnn, I wouldn't say it's quite cut and dry with such nits, i'd say he has AA or KK at least some of the time...

On turn you're 50% against a range of {55-TT, KK-AA, KhQh}. The reason for this is that if you put him on hands like 55-TT then he'll have the 55,99,TT more often. PSB i'd shove.

Hand 2 I don't think villain ever has 55-77, he's tighter than that. Maybe he has 88 but he likely just ships the flop with it being so draw heavy. I also think I can discount AK and certainly AQ from his range because while he might flat me pre with those hands, he seems quite unlikely to float the flop with them. The Ah removes even more of those high card combos because if he has something like AKhh, AQhh, or AhXo he can stick around on the flop, but he can't have those hands with that turn. In the moment I figured his range narrowed to QQ/TT and possibly 99.

I can't get much value from TT/99 on this turn but I may be able to force I fold from QQ if I barrel the turn.

I lead for $300.

Thoughts?

Entim I don't think there is a lot of hands that will call 45 but fold to 80 in hand one. I feel like I can bet the turn and villains calling range is essentially the same. The Ah probably sticks around whether I bet 45 or 80, Kx and flushes obv aren't going anywhere either. Maybe 8x is the only hand that will flat a smaller turn bet, but I'm prepared to barrel most river cards and force a fold from 8x. I don't see how betting larger accomplishes a whole lot more. The smaller bet lets me protect against free rivers without investing too much when I am behind IMO.

Yeah I see the same thing all the time, esp wrt preflop and flop bet sizes. There's zero balance in their hand range or their bet sizing to the point where even the bad players at the table know when they're against strong hands.

Hand a funny hand a few days ago where a bad reg was opening like 7x, he got criticized by someone else when he shows AA after everyone folds. Lady told him he'll never get action doing that. About 10 hands later he opens to 25, gets called by 4 people (me included with JT). An Axx flop checks around, the Q turn checks around, and villain leads for $100 on the K river. I make 300, he snap calls and flips over kings. I show my straight and he rages out because he changed his pfr and lost a hand. Immediately leaves the table, but comes sits back down a minute later to bitch to the lady about what happens to him when he doesn't oversize his preflop raises.

No one plays cash anymore?

5/10 30bb game.

Hero: $~800
Villain: Covers, prob $1200.

Hero straddles from LP after missing the blinds. BTN, BB, Villain (UTG) all flat. I make it $120 with KdKc. Folds to villain who snap calls. Villain is a small, middle aged spanish reg in this game. He's a fish but doesn't spew money.

Flop ($285): T 7 6

Villain checks, I cbet $175, he insta jams.

(pot - $635, I have ~$505 behind)

I call...you straddled, he thinks ur fos...the also insta jam...no hollywood...you also have Kd

BTN: aggro. Calls too much pre. Will call flop super light, and turn small pairs into bluffs when checked to. Will basically auto barrel when check to. He thinks I've been playing at him, I've 3bet him twice. But, he's directly across the table, so I'm not really targeting him. (months ago I stacked his QQ with T5s when I 3bet, he flated and I floped a flush.)

BB: plays similar to btn, but not as aggro and even looser with his calls of preflop raises.

Hero: EP. I've been losing and probably obvious I'm a little frustrated. I have showdown one or two winning hands in 6 hrs. Mostly second pair type stuff. I'm stuck $100, but it would be hard for them to know if I'm stuck or not. I'm perceived to be aggro, and open wide. I've been getting 4-5 callers most raises and c/f a lot of flops.

It's a spread limit game, max raise is $100.

Stacks.
BTN: $250 -275
Hero: About the same
BB covers.

Table wasn't full. So, I'm like UTG+1 or so at a 7-8 handed game.

I have QQx

Hero raises $10, folds, BTN calls, fold, BB calls.

Flop ($31): 876 two
BB checks, Hero ?

c/r if you think btn will call the raise, otherwise bet flop, c/r turn?

Bet and bet turn