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11-17-2014 , 02:33 PM
So the micro millions finished as always enjoyed it a lot few deep runs still waiting for my first win ,, all I would say to improve a great schedule is make the knockouts deeper starting with 2500 is a pain in the ars.e and make a deepstacked tourny with 15min blinds early an mid stages an 20latestages even if as to be a 2day event would be really good to have in the micro millions schedule
11-17-2014 , 02:41 PM
With better structure for the 55$ FO, you mean early antes right? If this is the case, thanks a lot.
11-17-2014 , 02:56 PM
some great changes in the last post bryan. good to see you are listening
11-17-2014 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
some great changes in the last post bryan. good to see you are listening
+1
11-17-2014 , 03:49 PM
+2

good to see some positive news
11-17-2014 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
Can we have better satties to these reds then?

Especially Saturday SKO. Let me play it one time!!!

Specifically, starting stacks 3k or more. Stars.fr are very good at this
Bryan?
11-17-2014 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS

Yes, of course. I'm writing them today through Wednesday, and they'll be published to the client by Friday in time for play this weekend. At the moment, I have a mix of the following planned: $1.10+R 3x-Turbo, $2.75+R 2x-Turbo, $5.50+R Turbo, $7.50 Deep Turbo, $16.50 Turbo, $27 Hyper-Turbo. (Suggestions welcome!)

Nice. Also it would be great if you add one $11 Deep Non Turbo like the ones we had during wcoop.
11-17-2014 , 04:59 PM
more satties to alllllll its good for everybody
11-17-2014 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
(08:30 ET)
I'm happy to add a guarantee to it, but it'll change to 3,000 chips with a better structure than it has now; it won't be a Deep Stack. We already have a Deep Stack ($22) at that time. It'll start out with a pretty small guarantee ($1K) for a $55 tournament, based on its current sustainable participation levels over the last month, but let's see where it goes. I'll change it over soon.
FWIW this isn't the worst spot on the schedule to have 2 midstake deepstacks. This is pretty much smack bang at the start of peak hour which is the perfect place for them. They may even compliment eachother and boost their fields. I would also love to see a $109 deepstack starting around the 265 ko.
11-17-2014 , 05:01 PM
Nice post, Bryan!
11-17-2014 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS


Yes, of course. I'm writing them today through Wednesday, and they'll be published to the client by Friday in time for play this weekend. At the moment, I have a mix of the following planned: $1.10+R 3x-Turbo, $2.75+R 2x-Turbo, $5.50+R Turbo, $7.50 Deep Turbo, $16.50 Turbo, $27 Hyper-Turbo. (Suggestions welcome!)

Those are already quite optimal (slow sat to 82$ not really worth it, imo). I love the Deep turbo, and would like to see one other buy-in, like 11$ or 5,50$ of it.

For PLO and NL 2-7 SD, the deep turbos would clearly give the best playing experience. I'd even be in favour of re-entry.
For the limit draw-games, I think mainly regular, and a few 2x turbos would do best / be most fun to play.
For the Stud-variants, regular turbos are definintely best. Maybe a single 2x or 3x turbo added.
8-Game and HORSE should also mainly have regular, and one or two 2x or 3x turbos. Though, If you offer deepstack turbos, regs late-reg for a slightly worse ROI, and recreationals re-enter...
For Pot Limit 5-Card Draw, the 3x turbo would likely create funny dynamics in between 45th-90th minute. One deepstack 5,50$ sat would definintely be great for recreationals, too.




It was normal for many years to not be able to unregister from a tournament if it was due to start within 10 minutes. The new 'normal' is 2 minutes, though... and has been for quite a while. Would you PM me with the time of the tournament you were in, please? I'll take a look at the file which runs that tournament and see to it that it's changed to conform with the current standards. Thank you!


It was on of those (most likely the 13:50 CET)
11:50 - 2,20$ FL 2-7 TD
13:20 - 2,20$ Badugi
13:50 - 2,20$ FL 2-7 TD
Very pleased to read this post, Bryan. Thank you

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 11-17-2014 at 05:38 PM.
11-17-2014 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by anuj22
Nice. Also it would be great if you add one $11 Deep Non Turbo like the ones we had during wcoop.
yeah these would be great, whether you want to do $5.50, $7.50, $11 or even $16.50 I'm sure some of us would play a ton of them

thanks for the feedback bryan
11-17-2014 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
Very interesting. Efforts to smooth out hyper-turbo structures in the past were met with resistance. It would be interesting to see if they'd be more accepted now. I'll give this some thought.
Bryan, did you have a chance to look at smoothing out the hyper MTT structure to balance out some of the recent rake increases?

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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
I really hope that the new $82 Weekly tournaments will grow the overall fields in the various non-NLHE disciplines, including the Omaha variants. I hope and expect that over time, the $215s in some disciplines will return as the field sizes grow in the $82s, as the $215s will represent a natural progressive step up for the increased player pool(s) in the $82s.
I agree with your rationale for adding the $82s for non-holdem games. However, the offerings for these games at steps below $82 is quite poor; mainly due how unpopular these games were 5+ years ago.

Is it time to standardized the game offerings for Razz, Stud 8, 8-game, NL2-7, 2-7 Triple Draw, Limit O8 to something similar to what the HORSE MTT ecology currently looks like? Consolidate some of the non-guarantee tournaments that start around the same time, add a small guarantee and give it 60 mins late reg and these will be fine.

It's kinda a joke how badly 8-game, NL2-7, 2-7TD are misrepresented in the MTT lobby. These games are not unpopular, the tournaments that are offered are just subpar.

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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
As for the Omaha variants, honestly I expect the $215s to return sooner rather than later. We wavered on whether or not we should replace the $215s with $82s, and the more I think of it, the more I think that the player pool is likely already deep enough to support both an $82 and a $215 in the Omaha variants. I'm not promising that the $215s in the Omaha variants will be back next week, but I won't be surprised if they're back quite soon - in addition to the $82s.
If you're going to keep the $82s the way they are, can you at least make two changes?
1) Swap the times of the $82 PLO8 (Saturday at 12:00) and $82 NLO8 (Sunday at 12:30). You will almost certainly cannibalize the $55 PLO8 (Saturday at 13:15) and the $82 NLO8 PKO (Sunday at 13:15).

By swapping, you at least separate the two games so that there is some differentiation.

2) Modify structure of $82 PLO8 and $82 PLO to the Omania structure.

-The biggest reason these two tournaments didn't get as many runners was because the structure was too fast. Changing from 3k to 5k won't have a huge affect on the speed of play, it'll be about the same.
-Please look at the NLO8 at level 8 (last level for late reg) and compare it to the PLO/PLO8.
NLO8 level 8 is 60/120 while the PLOs is 200/400.

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Lastly (sorry for the long post), it looks like a few NLO8 tournaments were reverted back to PLO8. Can you provide the reasoning behind this? The $11 turbo rebuy at 21:05 seemed to run 80-85% of the time. By changing it to PLO8, it's going to run at a much lower rate. It seems like the team responsible for making changes do not play poker at all. There have been several reasonable "quick fix" solutions suggested for O8 and they've been ignored.
11-18-2014 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
I'm glad that you like the changes. I really hope that the new $82 Weekly tournaments will grow the overall fields in the various non-NLHE disciplines, including the Omaha variants. I hope and expect that over time, the $215s in some disciplines will return as the field sizes grow in the $82s, as the $215s will represent a natural progressive step up for the increased player pool(s) in the $82s.

As for the Omaha variants, honestly I expect the $215s to return sooner rather than later. We wavered on whether or not we should replace the $215s with $82s, and the more I think of it, the more I think that the player pool is likely already deep enough to support both an $82 and a $215 in the Omaha variants. I'm not promising that the $215s in the Omaha variants will be back next week, but I won't be surprised if they're back quite soon - in addition to the $82s.
Sounds good if you're bringing them back soon enough so players who still plays those $215 don't decide to drop O8 from the game program due to "no offering" any more.

I hope they'll be back in 1-2 weeks. That should also give you small sample of how new 82$ tournaments start to get people without them and after that with them. You could have just lowered 215$ guaranteeds a bit while still keeping them.

For me main reason I don't really play O8 tournaments any more is that I like to concentrate on playing 1 format at a time (mainly either Texas NL or O8) and there's simply not enough tournaments nowadays to play just O8 even 4-6 tables at a time. Especially with larger buy-ins (22$+) in weekends, with Full Tilt and most other sites which have removed their O8 tournaments. It just doesn't make sense grinding some 4,4$ tournaments alongside 215$ or even 82$ tournaments.

Also, I'd like to note that I don't play NLTX tournaments in Stars. So if I play in Stars.eu, it's either good O8 session or almost nothing at all. Last months I've been playing around 90+% of my games elsewhere.
11-18-2014 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
If we were to put out one such tourney...

...HORSE / 8-Game?
...Thursday / Friday?
...$530 / $1,050?
Any progress on this please Bryan? I replied already but 8game/Thurs/either is good and other people like the idea too.

Hope the 215s can return at some point soon after this experinment and we have a three tier system of 82s, 215s and 500-1ks. Gl to everyone in the 82s in my absence ;-) thanks
11-18-2014 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
I'm glad that you like the changes. I really hope that the new $82 Weekly tournaments will grow the overall fields in the various non-NLHE disciplines, including the Omaha variants. I hope and expect that over time, the $215s in some disciplines will return as the field sizes grow in the $82s, as the $215s will represent a natural progressive step up for the increased player pool(s) in the $82s. As for the Omaha variants, honestly I expect the $215s to return sooner rather than later. We wavered on whether or not we should replace the $215s with $82s, and the more I think of it, the more I think that the player pool is likely already deep enough to support both an $82 and a $215 in the Omaha variants. I'm not promising that the $215s in the Omaha variants will be back next week, but I won't be surprised if they're back quite soon - in addition to the $82s.
Thank you for listening and having a dialogue here on 2+2.
11-18-2014 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS

Yes, of course. I'm writing them today through Wednesday, and they'll be published to the client by Friday in time for play this weekend. At the moment, I have a mix of the following planned: $1.10+R 3x-Turbo, $2.75+R 2x-Turbo, $5.50+R Turbo, $7.50 Deep Turbo, $16.50 Turbo, $27 Hyper-Turbo. (Suggestions welcome!)

the 11$ turbo run well for the 82$ PSKO nlo8.
but i the 7,50$ deep
could you put some 11$ deep in aswell?
11-18-2014 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by manndl
the 11$ turbo run well for the 82$ PSKO nlo8.
but i the 7,50$ deep
could you put some 11$ deep in aswell?
and 8.40 hyper turbo deep but not if theres even a hint of ****ING re entry bull****!!!!!!
11-18-2014 , 05:04 PM
Introduce something like sharkscope just did, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...-deck-1489917/


People love those badges, seems very easy to implement and will be a lot of fun for recreationals/pros.
11-18-2014 , 05:24 PM
lovin the cheapskate badge lol
11-18-2014 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rowniwn
Introduce something like sharkscope just did, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...-deck-1489917/


People love those badges, seems very easy to implement and will be a lot of fun for recreationals/pros.
Just make sure you charge an exorbitant amount for it too.
11-18-2014 , 09:28 PM
Bryan. after smashing the guarentee buy 10k can we have at least the NL08 $215 back this weekend please.

Also the $7.50 hyper runs at 4am uk any chance of a similar one in the middle of the day for uk players.

Also one more Progressive knockout 08 mtt around 20.00 - 11.00 WET would be great or an $11r as there is no decent mtts in the 5$-$15 range bar the ante up near the $27 Omania

*The structure in the $13.50 ko at 12.05 WET could also be increased to 2500-3000 chips as it is such a luckbox mtt.
11-18-2014 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rowniwn
Introduce something like sharkscope just did, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...-deck-1489917/


People love those badges, seems very easy to implement and will be a lot of fun for recreationals/pros.


I +1 this.
11-18-2014 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SwansFC
sure about this time each year they would do double vision? what happened to that

+ 100?

Bring them back.
11-19-2014 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pandick

*The structure in the $13.50 ko at 12.05 WET could also be increased to 2500-3000 chips as it is such a luckbox mtt.
+1 even so i won it last week more starting chips would be nice!

      
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