9man3,50 turbo

9 man at FTP

Full Tilt - |100/200 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 16.2 BB
BTN: 9.1 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 80)
SB: 42.2 BB (VPIP: 51.28, PFR: 29.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 80)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8

fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero ?

After the game I ran this hand through the ICM calc that comes with PT4. It said fold was better than push. (I'm not sure If I'm using it correctly) This is my first ICM calculation lets say.

A's in HU is golden. Push all day

Yes but I thought I was to calculate icm and try to memorize spots. I got a "fold" result when putting this through the calc. I'm now a little confused, so gotta ask knedic4, "why is push"?

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bcause if you win you have 8-24-32 stacks vs if we fold we have 8-43-15. If we fold, we make 2nd lot >50% and 1st 27%. If we win vs his call we only make first approx 60%.
Check out this post:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...k-post-227022/
From this Sticky page:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...collection-50/

Think in the diff possibilities like here, you can see the chances of each and the end value of stacks.
www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#qHsH

Great links^^^ TY

gonna have to bookmark them and read them a few times I guess. I see now what you mean. My ICM calc shows my stack to be worth just under 2nd place so I shouldn't tango against big stack with A8o while 3rd(smallest) stack is so much smaller.

@Regret$ am i reading that pic of the icm calc wrong or is that for AA??? If so are you saying I shouldn't even be tango'ing big stack with AA?? Sorry if I'm totally off here.

So in future where I have 15bb, big stack raises my bb, and next bb is ~9 stack I fold to his min raise steal A8o. I'll have to go through those calcs myself a few more times from that link to truly understand I guess.

Alright Beginner here so bear with me.

Full Tilt - |60/120 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 12.79 BB
BB: 87.54 BB (VPIP: 48.98, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 50)
BTN: 12.17 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T J

fold, [color=red]Hero ??

Alright so my question here isn't so much about this hand specifically but I want to know if I"m interpreting this calc correctly. It allows to tweak the ranges (at least thats my understanding) from very tight, tight, avg, loose very loose. Now the BB here is definetly at least loose caller, having seen him call a non shove 2bet from the blinds this game with 42s and limp and call a raise with Q5s this same stt.

Against "average" player I should push if I"m reading this correctly but as soon as I make his range "loose" it becomes a fold. Sorry if this is total noob question but the video tutorial on that part of pt4 is not existent and my ICM knowledge although minimal would probably grow faster if I could use the tools at my disposal more confidently.

Oops so sorry Jonny I misread I thought there were only 2 players left which is why I said A in heads up is golden.

In terms of 3 people this really just comes down to the range that you put the SB on. You didn't provide any reads or stats on the player so its hard to say but a min raise from SB is very weak and could be a fail steal but if you think hes only pushing with hands like 22+, A2s+ KJs+ then definite fold

The reason why it is a fold after you make him loose is obvious when you think about it. JTo is a very weak hand and even if the BB had crap like Q3o its a coinflip at best. You don't want to get all your chips in on a flip if you can avoid it you want your skill to win the game; and if by chance he has a monster well then your out of luck.

Thank You for taking the time to respond again. I think now that I'm more confident using the calc to review my games after the fact I should progress along nicely. Hopefully I'll be posting outside of this thread in no time.

No problem I'm a beginner to so we help out each other. If you ever want to lets exchange hands

i want to convert hands to the forum from PT4 with the stats of the players,how can i do it? ty

When viewing a hand history at the to will be "copy" options button...

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Any websites that convert hands from Revolution network? I don't have any of the trackers and most websites don't support it. Usually get some error

Hi All,

I've got a question that I hope you can answer and provide insight into. I've been playing some SNG's with a small degree of succes (ITM 44% of the time... is that good??))). I'm fairly even in finishing 1st, 2nd and 3rd when I do make the money.

I've read a few strategy books on hold'em but nothing related to SNG's so I feel like I have the right knowledge of pot odds, implied odds, etc but I'd like to learn how to apply that to SNG's.

Specifically I find I'm getting pushed around a lot when I reach the money and the SB steals a lot of pots from me. My question is... what hand ranges should I be calling with when the SB is consistently trying to steal my blinds? I've noticed this only happens when I reach the money stage.

I was also wondering if you have any suggestions on SNG strategy books that I can read and educate myself? Also, is 44% ITM a low, just ok or good amount of winnings?

Any help you can provide would be great! Oh, and do you guys think SNG Wizard is worth trying? It sounds like its a helpful tool and perhaps that's why I'm experiencing so many raises all in from the SB?

44% ITM is high and will come down as you get a meaningful sample size.

As to what ranges to call, it depends on the situation. You need to post specific hands.

^this, OP post a hand or I'm locking this thread up, no offense but you won't learn anything this way...

Oh ok... Is there another thread where I can ask without posting hands? I'm just trying to understand if i should be calling with Kx, Qx, suited connectors or if I should just be playing premium hands... Sorry if I posted this in wrong section... Still trying to learn my way around.


Edit: I'll post some hands when I get home... It sounds like it'll help with answers.

Sometimes you can call an atc shove with q2o, sometimes you need to fold AKs. It depends on the situation

Sometimes I wonder if people read the answer they get or if they just want a chart that tells him how to play sngs but not read that either...

No no... Definitely not looking for a chart. I want to learn and I won't call 100% of the the time with suggestions as I like to pick my spots but I usually only call with pp or an ace so I'm looking to extend my range and learn more. That's why I also asked for suggestions on books to read so I can educate myself not only with what I can call with but also understand the strategy behind those that go all in every time in an position.

I'll post some hands that I feel are relevant. Please bare with me as I do want to learn

What ITM% should I be aiming for and what is a meaningful sample size?

Thanks for the advice on posting specific hands. I'll do that shortly, I'll try to see if I can find a sequence where it happened a few times in a row as it shows my stack decreasing to the point where I sometimes still fold Kx, Qx with only 2bb or 3bb.

Just post diff thread with hands later man...

I am mostly trying to wrap my head around ICM as you can see from all of my posts so far in this forum. Therefore I will mostly be asking about that in this post. I am using a hand example from a hand I recently played in a "New to the Game" sng's on FTP, this one is $2+ juice, $9/$5.4/$3.6. Obviously any comment on the actual hand are still welcome.

Full Tilt - |25/50 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 1,385
BB: 1,285 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG: 1,380
UTG+1: 780 (VPIP: 64.71, PFR: 47.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: 2,975
CO: 2,425
BTN: 3,270 (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

Hero posts SB 25, BB posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has K J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 150, fold, fold, BTN calls 150, Hero calls 125, fold

So preflop my post game ICM calculator shows this to be a fold. It's close, push/fold is 1.88/1.96 according to my post-game ICM calc. It's my understanding that with effective stacks of ~16, and not being near to the bubble yet, that I'm not yet in push/fold ICM mode yet, is this correct?

Flop: (500, 3 players) 5 3 8
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 630 and is all-in, BTN calls 630, Hero ???

Alright so the early opener now continues by shoving/cbetting the rest of his meager stack. Earlier in this tournament we watched him (in BB position) and a fish who's busted out by now fold on turn when he had less than a pot sized bet left in the following hand:

Needless to say with utg+1 having cbet 3/3 hands so far this tourney and considering his stack size he could have lots of different things, probably even some that totally missed this board. He gets called by loose passsive btn who has folded to the one and only cbet he's faced this tourney. I figure I have ~45% chip equity in this pot here if I go to showdown against both villains. My question is that I believe my ICMev answer lies in "Hand 3" from OP in http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...k-post-227022/ I have a ICM calc built into the PT4 hand replayer but it only seems to work pf. I would greatly appreciate if someone could walk me through how to do what the OP in above link does in his example. Thank you all for your patience and thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this and help me.

Is there a stat in holdem manager that can check $ev after calculating buy in and not just with it? Or net winning that counts rake?