I just spent a good hour in SNGWiz analyzing only hands with 4 or less people remaning, and I can see that I need to tighten up tremendously. Even in spots where I expected a shove to be very +ev, its in fact VERY -ev. I've also found that I'm way too big-stack bully type when we are 3-4 handed and the other players have less than 700 ish chips left. Sure I can open wider and gamble a bit more, but I need to tighten it up.

This is all mostly based on SNGWiz defaults, which I have heard good and bad things about.

Totally worthless.

@Thalo, thank you for helping make this is a study thread where beginner's are helping each other. I really appreciate it. (No sarcasm.)

So what am I expected to do, if SngWiz is useless? I mean I did try to vary the calling ranges from super tight to super loose, just to get the spectrum but I'm finding it rather difficult to make correct ICM adjustments if the programme is useless.

Am I then supposed to just use something like Nash? Although that's HU only

Make your best guess what they will call. It will likely be better than what SNGwiz will guess.

I was playing around SNG Wiz on a situation like these and it tells me to go all-in with 100% range up to around 34% calling range for him. Most people don't adjust that much in the bubble but call way tighter, so just to confirm...

Is it standard to go all-in with anything here, even say 5 times in a row when it's folded to me? I mean, it's impossible to tell when someone is adjusting and when they do, it's already too late. Maybe I'm not supposed to care until they do and then take a note on them that they are adjusting after a few hands?

Personally I'd lean towards folding the most crappy hands but math seems to disagree, but just perhaps it's more profitable to fold once in a while to preserve(?) our fold equity in future rounds, but even then we won't know if they are going to adjust until they actually do so which is it? Exploit until they adjust or "play it safe"?

Random ROI question... Any 200+ hyper regs winning pre rakeback?? Just curious, anyone unblocked on s/scope seems to be losing without VIP points

Yes a few

Is there any thread that talks about live Satellite tournaments? I've read the archived one in the SSMTT thread, but that mostly pertains the online satellites. I've also read a few SNG threads, but this satellite is a STT and only first gets a seat. Thanks in advance for any help

SB and BB seem like regs. Gave SB 12% calling range for when I push, BB 17% and 5.4% for when me and SB push.

(62%) This is what I can push profitably.

22+,A2+,K5+,K2s+,Q6+,Q2s+,J7+,J2s+,T7+,T3s+,96+,94 s+,86+,84s+,76,74s+,65,63s+,53s+

37.9% is pretty close to what I actually am used to pushing, maybe 40%, although I didn't go all-in with this hand.

Just push 60% and take a note if they end up calling wider than I expected?

how are stts 9 man turbos these days? been playing a few hundo $7s of late. games seen soft enough...

seems much easier grind than playing 45s, easily have plenty tabs open within minutes + 45s pretty much die out after $15s.

what kind of roi can one expect 15s/30s? yes my ss pretty much just ran out, thanks in advance.

where is the best coaching site to learn 6-max hyper strategy?

There is no coaching site as such. Dragthebar touches certain topics in some videos but these are far too basic, and some concepts have little practicality if you plan to become a solid regular at these.
In general the edges are so thin that the ecosystem is well fenced in and there won't be a lot of written material out there. Either designated videos or one to one coaching and these will cost you $$$

Hello am trying to help a friend of mine. He is almost beginner in poker, have some basic knowledge as hand pf ranking but nothing special. Which are classic videos material/series for sng games where are explained icm stealing from sb, playing in bubble... specially for 6 max sng.

Thanks for help

Is there an article, site, or video series which is a good intro to 18-mans especially how ICM affects play?

Hi guys - I recently gave microstakes 6max hypers a try just or the lols. At first I was beating them pretty easily with a 15% ROI over about 150 games (lolsamplesize) but then I hit a major downswing.

What I want to know is how can I tell whether I'm getting unlucky, or if I'm just a donk? I mean, it feels like I've been getting really unlucky during this downswing, but they are hypers after all so it's kinda hard to tell. I realise the variance in these things can be pretty bad lol.

I'm pretty sure I've seen all in EV like graphs in some threads for hyper players. I use PT3 - are there any features that do something like this?

Thanks in advance for any help. Sorry if this is a common question, but I don't know much about this type of poker, and I couldn't find anything in the stickies/search function.

this is the million dollar question after all, isn't it? the only way to know in most cases is to suck up and see it through.

how many BI's is your downswing? You would need a 10000 sample at the very least to have some sort of indication. To be very close to certain you probably need a whole year's sample.

But there are some tells you can filter out on your PT3/4 stats which they can tell you how your hu, bubble and 4/5/6 hand play is. The one consistently showing higher red numbers of them all is where you are probably having leaks.

After my first 150 games I was up about 25 BI, but now I'm around -13 BI after 300 games total. I expect 30BI downswings aren't particularly unusual for these types of games, but these are $1.50 hypers and most of the players seem incredibly bad. Even without knowing much about how to play these short stacked game types, I'd like to think that I have a significant edge just because of how inept everyone else playing them is.

Tbh, I'm not really all that fussed about finding my leaks - I'm just messing about playing these at the moment, and may or may not try and learn them properly in the future. PT3 tells me how many chips I'm winning/losing at each blind level, and I can see that I'm winning a lot in the early blind levels, and losing at the higher levels.


I found that I can plot an All-in EV graph for all my hands played across the 300 games vs. chips won. I can see that I was running about EV neutral over the first 150 games, and then unsurprisingly ran way below EV over the next 150. Can any useful info be taken from these graphs? Chips won vs. hands played does look fairly similar to my $ won vs. games played graph. I'm up about 8000 chips overall, yet I've still lost money overall - is this just rake?

How can I got about fixing my game through HEM 2? I play 9 man regular speeds, I have a 2% ROI over 300 games of my new stake. MY EV is -2%.

300BI aren't unusual for these games, let alone 30BI you mention..and you refer to a total of 450 games which is absolutely nothing.
Also, don't think that because you are playing the $1.5 and lots of players are fish, that you are going to jump to profit right away, and that everybody playing them is a fish. In every league you have regulars and even if at that level are fewer, they are decent players, and I have seen several Supernova regging these games, and you can tell after some time playing them they are not donks.
In addition some players may be playing at those levels because they have limited bankrolls, not because they are bad.

I don't know how your game is, but that's variance. Some people could profit right away in 450games at $1.5, some won't, and they could have exactly the same skill.


It's probably fine to mess around if you are new to them to have a feel for them. But again, you can't expect to win in 450 games just because you think everybody's bad. If you don't study the game, chances are you may be as bad as them.

The rake in those levels is the highest, but your ROI should still be good enough. Given that everybody is now jumping on the "hyper"frenzy, probably not as good as when they started, but still very good.

Whats an ideal sample size for sngs?

There doesn't seem to be a consensus on this. In HT's I would say you can start seeing patterns and leaks after 10000 games. Ideal sample, probably about 100000 games. For other SNG formats I imagine it will vary, depending on their SD.

This is my hands played vs. chips won graph from playing about 450 6max $1.50 hypers.



Seeing as I'm running about 17000 chips below All-in EV, and each BI is worth 500 chips, is it fair to say that I'm running 34 BI below EV? If not, what's a better way of estimating my EV?

Just played my first 9max sng and wanted ask about few hands.

1) PokerStars - $6.37+$0.63|25/50 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 31.8 BB
CO: 25.3 BB (very tight)
BTN: 40.7 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 5.45, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 38)
SB: 27.9 BB (very tight)
BB: 19.6 BB (VPIP: 31, PFR: 7, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
UTG: 60.44 BB
UTG+1: 64.26 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB[/color], fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 3 5 9
BB checks, Hero ?

I suppose i must cbet/fold here. Right?

2)PokerStars - $6.37+$0.63|50/100 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 14.15 BB
CO: 22.55 BB
BTN: 37.65 BB
SB: 12.7 BB
BB: 24.47 BB
UTG: 23.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 9

If all fold to me, is this good steal spot? players after me is co (8/2). btn (18/6) sb (6/2) and bb (31/7) no 3bets from all except btn who 3bet range is 8% so far after 49 hands.

3)PokerStars - $6.37+$0.63|50/100 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 12.65 BB
BTN: 20.05 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 1.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
SB: 42.65 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 5.45, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 55)
BB: 12.2 BB (VPIP: 5.45, PFR: 1.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
UTG: 28.97 BB (VPIP: 31.48, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
MP: 18.48 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, hero ?

How much i need raise here?

Thanks.

1. Minraise preflop imo. cbet 5.5bb/fold is good, maybe shove turn club 2/4/Q/A. It's tricky if BB shoves cause he is short, maybe call him.
2. Minraise and cbet most flops. Don't cbet 'wet' flops like QT6 or K83ssx. can cbet pretty small like 2-3bb. Fold to 3bet shove.
3. Allin. If the pot is more than 15% of your stack then it is rarely wrong to shove open shove, unless we have QQ+ and are trapping. I would probably raise if we had 20bb effective stacks.

Thanks for your answer.