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10-10-2010 , 02:54 PM

#551

_MAGiC_

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im a husng player thinking of grinding either 18man or 45mans.

whats a solid ROI achievable at both?

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10-11-2010 , 10:21 AM

#552

Globen

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I'm having some trouble understanding what ppl really mean, when expressing hand ranges. I understand that 99+ means 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA. But what about ATo+? Does that include AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ and QJ?

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10-11-2010 , 10:38 AM

#553

mckrogh

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Originally Posted by Globen

ATo+ = ATo, AJo, AQo, AKo

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10-13-2010 , 02:20 AM

#554

Nerdrage

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,701

So, I finally downloaded SNG wiz. I was messing around with the quiz to start out. I came to this hand, and I don't really understand WHY this is a shove.
3 ppl left blinds are 250/500 - FTP 6max structure
BTN shoves for 530
hero is SB with K9o and 5.3k in chips.
BB has 2.4k left.

This is telling me to shove, why should i be shoving when the big blind pretty much HAS to call this?

Edit: heres another one...
3 handed ftp 6max 60/120 blinds
btn shoves for 375
hero is SB with QTo and 805 chips left
BB has 7.4k

It says shove, when i said fold. I always expect the BB to call here....

Last edited by Nerdrage; 10-13-2010 at 02:37 AM.

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10-13-2010 , 02:38 AM

#555

Monkey Banana

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If he calls tight, often you get to play for 1200 chips for 250 and you beat a random hand easily. He will win more often but you will then be heads up with a decent stack.
If he calls loose, you will beat him often and if you win, game over. If button wins, you're heads up with a huge advantage. If you lose to him, again you're heads up with a decent stack.

Not shoving would be awful in this spot.

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10-13-2010 , 11:25 PM

#556

GDrumsyQ

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 277

How important is it to know ICM for micro SNGs?

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10-14-2010 , 12:42 AM

#557

Regret$

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,124

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Originally Posted by _MAGiC_

im a husng player thinking of grinding either 18man or 45mans.

whats a solid ROI achievable at both?

Hey _MAGiC_.

18m turbos on stars approx 12-16% is max for $16s, around 8-10% for $27-38s and 6-8% for $60s (and you gonna have to be baller for all of these max ROI's). Not sure on 45m, but it is going to be a bit higher for reach BI range but not too much. Probably about 4% or so depending on structure is my guess.

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10-14-2010 , 04:10 AM

#558

Sokol

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 562

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Originally Posted by gwdrummond

How important is it to know ICM for micro SNGs?

Depends if you want to be +ROI or not.
Many micro SNG players don't truly know how play and make decisions according to ICM, so just knowing how to adjust your play can make benefit.

So yes.. its pretty important..

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10-14-2010 , 04:32 AM

#559

Monkey Banana

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I don't agree. It's not in the least bit important in the micros so long as you grasp the basic precepts. I'm not trying to be an arse. I really don't think you need it at very low stakes and it wouldn't repay the effort to learn it.

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10-14-2010 , 06:11 AM

#560

Sokol

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 562

I can agree that time for learning ranges and close p/f spots probably wont get payed back at this stakes, but adjusting our game according to ICM surely will.
Not to mention how truly understanding ICM can help us moving trough stakes when our BR allows us..
IMO, as I said, just knowing hot to properly adjust play with game stages at micro"s can make benefit for us.. but for progress we need to learn more and to better understand ICM.

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10-14-2010 , 12:58 PM

#561

alexd11

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,965

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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

It's not gonna do you any harm though and will make the transition when moving up much easier.

I can remember when I was first posting on here when I was crushing the 1's

back when I though ICM was an STD.

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10-14-2010 , 01:26 PM

#562

iFloat

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What is top attainable ROI for $5, $10, $15 BI levels? How many BIs is a solid roll?

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10-15-2010 , 03:23 AM

#563

IcarusJam

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If i'm transferring from HUSNGs/6max cash/full ring cash/ (just want to learn this form of poker), what BRM do u suggest and what is standard deviance for the 25 6max turbos on stars and what is an average roi a winning 6max cash player can obtain iyo?

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10-16-2010 , 12:31 AM

#564

Monkey Banana

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Originally Posted by Sokol

My view is that you can spend your time learning other stuff that is more valuable. Learning the principles of ICM is a good idea; spending a lot of time studying spots not so much.

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10-16-2010 , 05:10 PM

#565

Gojirad

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Originally Posted by IcarusJam

100 buy ins
30 BI downswings standard
10% over a good sample (2000 at least) is probably considered excellent, never played 6 max SNGs and dont play much on Stars but i think thats about accurate.

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10-16-2010 , 05:12 PM

#566

Gojirad

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Originally Posted by iFloat

What is top attainable ROI for $5, $10, $15 BI levels? How many BIs is a solid roll?

Turbos? 9 mans? HU? Site? amount of tables?

check the sharkscope leaderboards.

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10-16-2010 , 05:20 PM

#567

Gojirad

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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

true. i was beating the 9 man turbo $6.50s and $12s, and was a small winner at the $24s on full tilt without having studied ICM or really studied player ranges.

a good grasp of begginner and intermediate fundamentals as well as some experience is fine at lower levels.

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10-19-2010 , 12:48 AM

#568

jonkeponke

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does anyone have any idea how accurate the HEM red line is for 9 man super turbos on FTP? my green line and red line are relatively close after 1kish games, wondering what to expect further out.

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10-19-2010 , 12:59 AM

#569

alexd11

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Originally Posted by jonkeponke

does anyone have any idea how accurate the HEM red line is for 9 man super turbos on FTP? my green line and red line are relatively close after 1kish games, wondering what to expect further out.

Check this **** out. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1937

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10-19-2010 , 11:59 PM

#570

_MAGiC_

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Originally Posted by Regret$

Hey _MAGiC_.

tx man

any1 kno how often the $60 18s fill, is it possible to mass table them or should I mix them with others

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10-20-2010 , 12:05 AM

#571

_MAGiC_

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Also Ive been thinkin of playin the $88 6max hyper turbo sattalites, im a bit of a noob when it comes to push/fold when rly shallow, but I wanna get good at these.

What is the best way to learn them? is there a chart that shows you what to push with from all positions? also need one for calling shoves

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10-20-2010 , 09:58 AM

#572

Regret$

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Heh. Hit me up when you see me online and I will do my best to try to help prevent you from blowing up $3k.

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10-21-2010 , 04:36 PM

#573

_MAGiC_

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Originally Posted by Regret$

Heh. Hit me up when you see me online and I will do my best to try to help prevent you from blowing up $3k.

LOL the 88s are crazy, my 1st session I insta lost $750 in the 1st 10mins, then ended up winning it back within 15mins.

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10-21-2010 , 10:09 PM

#574

TomoDaK

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Magic I haven't played em in awhile, but you'll need to mix stakes. You can have most of your games be 36/60s tho not so bad.

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10-23-2010 , 06:22 AM

#575

Ineedluck

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4

Hi guys,

need some help.. i sharkscoped myself and found i have an ROI of 4% but a total profit of -$10...how can this be?n does ROI not take into account rake paid?

if it helps I've been doing ok at the 2$ SNGs..tried moving up to $5 SNGs but got my ass kicked.. so i moved back down...