no youre just bad and stupid

+1. There are so many other reasons to criticize Party Poker, and you chose "its rigged".

I have been highly disappointed by the satellite structures and the way the tournament tickets have been handled. It seems many of the people on the staff are incompetent/unknowledgeable. I can cite many examples of false information given to me by a Party Rep/chat room operator(its a given the people on the phone are clueless). I know they did not do it on purpose but the lack of knowledge and familiarity with their own product is a concern.

Yeah you can criticize every part of the ****ing site. The customer service is a joke, cant even get someone who understands what you are even saying. The only response i ever get from support is we will escalate this to a higher department and half of the time i dont even get a response back. Im just saying if you dont think the site is rigged for actions is because you never played live poker before or you believe every one in the world is so honest. Im not saying its rigged against someone but it is definitely rigged for action. If you cant realize that just keep herding. I am done on this matter thank you

I think you are forgetting that you say way way more hands online than in person, so its going to be a different experience for sure.

^ dont feed the troll

I ment play more hands online than in person. But I won't feed into it.

Anyone who thinks the sites in NJ are rigged is a tool.

You really think one of these sites I'd going to rig games to increase rake? We're in a regulated market now and they are banking on expanding to other states. If they get caught they get shut down permanently and people will go jail. It is absolutely not worth if to them to cheat.

Summed up like a champ. Thank you.

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/1...rsey-19841.htm

"Borgata, which owns the license to the partypoker NJ network, accounted for 54 percent of the total revenue. The network experienced a sharp decline of 9.21 percent in poker revenue, reporting a figure of $1,056,711 during a month where poker revenues typically increase."

A 9% decline in revenue should not be taken lightly sir..

GL mate

That is an old article from November, I want to see this Novembers especially with the series going on. Good try taking that out of context and using it now. I appreciate your smart answer. Thanks mate.

Here are some tourney structures in order from Highest to Lowest Variance

Large Field MTTs with Steep Payouts (Stars)
MTTS with a Flatter Payout
Small MTTs
6 and 9max Sngs
HUSNGS

Google variance and standard deviation, and click on a link that isn't from a poker forum.

One should really compare apples to apples.

Of course MTTs with larger fields are going to decrease your odds of winning, thereby increasing variance. Comparing them to SnGs is ludicrous.

But nevertheless, a HU Hyper must be much higher variance than a HU Turbo, where the deeper blind structure allows for fewer marginal situations and more post flop play. And yes out of SnGs DONS are likely to be the lowest variance.

Variance is a math concept that simply measures the way a set of numbers (payouts in tourney poker) are spread out. Most poker players think of

The variance of a tournament is determined by the payout structure and size of the field.

Blind structure has nothing to do with variance. If a certain type of structure reduces your roi, it also increases your opponents.

Comparing the variance of the smallest field tourneys to the largest is not ludicrous at all, and it actually helps you see the big picture.

I suggest you checkout pokerdope.com and fool around with their tools. It's pretty enlightening. Try comparing tourneys with the same buyin/rake, same ROI, but different payouts and field sizes. The EV never changes, just the variance. The average EV of all players in any tourney is always the same. Its negative whatever % the rake is (or positive whatever the overlay is)

November was only a couple of months ago. While I concur that traffic might be heavy at the moment, I do not see it sustained.

There are way too many shortcomings and subpar software will add to their demise. Additionally, with increased competition for market share, how do you see management preparing for such?

Are you aware that the mobile platform does not even have the capability of running MTT's?

Look to the future. I do. And I do not see this current platform. Major changes need to occur..

You make some valid points. I do not totally share the same perspective, but I recognize that management does need to be making some changes. And in case people haven't noticed, I think they have been making changes for the better. Everybody is free to agree or disagree with that statement, but I still have hope for this platform.

There is one thing I want to say about the mobile platform. My understanding is that every game on the mobile platform has a separate approval process. So it's not just up to them, DGE has to approve their mobile platform for MTTs. This is one of the challenges of a regulated market. And any new competitor will have to go through each step of the process. So do not expect that all the things you want to be different will be automatically fixed by a new competitor.

Understood, I guess anyway.

However, are you aware that 888/WSOP has the ability of playing MTT's on their platform? Why would they have approval ---- and PP/Borgata not?

They both hit the market at the same time I believe.

Every company that came into the market chose to invest more in some things than in others. From what I have heard, Caesars put a lot of emphasis on testing and approval of the mobile platform from early on, and got their mobile games approved first. Clearly they made a judgement call and the market has shown they were right.

It's also interesting, there are several companies that have exited the market. I am not sure either of those companies invested much, if anything, on the mobile platform. Maybe there is a lesson in there.

Though it might not seem related at first glance, I think geolocation has put a heavy load on all these companies. If I could game from my desktop on day one, my experience playing poker in NJ would have been much better. Instead, the requirement of wireless integration means many people playing one table at a time on a laptop are not getting a much better experience than those on a tablet. So maybe that's why Caesar's gamble paid off so well.

What you state does make sense. However, it's not like BP does not have a mobile platform. It has a *limited* platform. which in turn will hurt them in the long run

What really aggravates me is that I am a regular on Party Poker, and have paid plenty in rake and accumulated a lot of loyalty points. I actually enjoy playing on the site and have no complaints about the software or tournament structure since I primarily play HU. I play on my Mac Pro and never once has the software crashed(guess I'm one of the lucky ones). The only issue I have though is that these loyalty points don't apply towards room comps at the Borgota Hotel Casino & Spa.

I would estimate that I pay over 2K in rake a month. What is Party Poker/Borgota doing about this situation since technically they are the same entity? Am I wrong in saying that me playing online is the same as a gambler playing at the physical casino? I know the amount I pay in rake is low compared to some of the other regs, but I know most person's aren't physically giving the casino 2k a month like I do. Please provide some clarity on this issue and what is being done? If this issue has already been answered can someone please get me caught up? Thank you all.

would be cool if the mobile app included Mtt's and maybe let you play 2 or 3 tables.

would be a handy feature for the times you have to be one your feet doing something for a short time/ or when you are out in about but dont want to lug around a laptop.

+ room comps with p/borg points would be cool. really is a mystery why theres no cross platform rewards in place on any ipoker nj site.

B&M players should be earning free ipoker tourney tix/ T$ or something and online players should be earning room offers or something.

Agreed. It is kind of insulting in my mind that some of us who invest so much money and pay so much rake, don't get rewarded like the physical players do. I know us regs especially are putting a lot of money into their operation, and some how we are viewed as less than in this instance. Smh, I will keep suggesting PP looks into this.

I will add that I agree with these things. From my understanding they have been investing more in mobile as of late. But to the best of my knowledge none of the alternatives are good for multi-tabling. That may be something really far in the future.

I also think your ideas on cross promotion of online poker with B&M are really good.

As players we all want the most rewards we can get. But in general, I think online players have a very inaccurate picture of the kinds of comps that B&M players get, and the kind of play they are expected to put in to get those comps.

Anybody who has played significant live hours at the Borgata knows that poker has never been rated as high as slots or even pit games. And poker players are getting fewer offers than ever before. You can play for 14 hours a day and contribute $1000s in live rake and still not qualify for a Friday night room at Borgata.

I am not saying the system is correct, as I do think there is room for improvement. They should value regular consistent players more. But anybody who thinks $2000 in monthly rake is a lot should recognize that Borgata expects live players to play $5-$10K before they can get a room discount or comp for weekend nights.

You are obviously more informed than me about this issue, however, yea they don't get the friday night rooms, but they do get comp offers. I know this cuz I was a reg for a lot of last year, and still receive offers.

Their comp offers are less now than in years past. Poker players used to be able to get 2 comp nights a week. Granted, it was generally weekdays, but for those without a 9-5 job, or for cash grinders, they could at least count on having 2 nights a week locked up. And they would generally get a reasonable reduced rate for the weekend.

Now they are giving most people 1 night a week maximum and even getting a Thursday night or a Sunday night can be a challenge.

Let's face it, most people who want to play poker have regular jobs and would prefer to play on the weekend. The amount of action that the casino expects is ridiculous to even get a discount for Fri / Sat night. I'm talking about paying $200 a night and still being expected to play $5K against the house. Meaning playing live poker doesn't count towards that action.

I still hope that things change for the better. But it's not just online players getting less. The casinos have cut back comps for live players too, and the overall approach to poker in general is outdated and is helping to shrink the market, not make it bigger.