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Old 02-03-2017, 07:12 PM   #126
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But Gin n Tonic considers all of them SJWs. So do the editors of the Oxford Dictionary (not that they matter ITT). We await word of LordJvK's personal usage. A pattern is emerging however. It seems to be a personal usage. And in all non-ironic usages it's a derogatory. In other words, it seems to mean...

Whoever the OSJer personally doesn't like.



No. No it's not. Peeps calling other peeps bigots aren't shy about identifying exactly who they're calling bigots. That whole calling out by name thingee is precisely what makes the OSJers so damn bitter... remember?

OTOH, the OSJers are more than shy about identifying who exactly who they're calling SJWers. It's like pulling teeth to even get them to spit out the slightest bit of information. It took what, three days for someone to spit out that the 100k marchers in London were SJWers.

You couldn't find two things that are more different.
Lol, no the reason people aren't calling them out by name is because this is a !!! thread. I'm sure you could get people to stop pulling punches if you take this convo to one of those threads. I personally don't like calling people names as a rule, so I won't be calling you that either. Although I'll tell you now to stop acting like a dilbert.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:24 PM   #127
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Shame Trolley, dude just look in the mirror already. Most of the answers you seek are right there.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:26 PM   #128
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It's funny Europa talked about empathy because this is the EXACT thing that SJWs have lacked over recent Brexit and Trump votes.

Not for a single ****ing second did they stop to consider WHY those votes happened the way they did.
Actually, I spend a lot of time thinking about why those votes happened. Because I'm a liberal, I respect them voicing their opinion. I think their opinion is wrong and they are stupid. Most of the 60 million still love their kids and all that stuff - they aren't monsters but many are against good stuff happening to other people.

Immigration, abortion, gender issues, women, minorities... all OSJ positions have a "I don't want good thing x happen for group y because my feelings" component. That's like, their thing. Finding spots where some other people don't know their place.

I have empathy. I want immigrants to flourish, women to have a choice for abortion, people being able to use the bathroom they're most comfortable with, refugees to live in dignity and so on. Most of those don't affect me at all, some hypothetically even negatively. In all those cases, it's relatively easy to guess what a good person's stance on them would be.

I'm not a SJW though, or at least never considered myself one; I'm not an activist at all. But I try to be a good person, if that makes me a SJW so be it. Also lol at the guy who called me leftist; In Germany the stereotype is actually the cold-hearted, not the bleeding-heart liberal.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:32 PM   #129
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Seems like you and I will get on.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:42 PM   #130
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Lol, no the reason people aren't calling them out by name is because this is a !!! thread...
First, just pop-over to a /|\ thread and drop the names, WTF is wrong with you.

However, I didn't mean ITFs, I mean IRL. People called the elephant candidate, and his campaign manager, r-word-ers. We can figure out who they are referring to. They'll happily tell us if we ask them. That calling out by name is what makes the OSJers so hoppin mad.

OSJers call a buncha peeps IRL SJWers. We can't figure out who they're referring to. They seem to all have different answers. We can ask them who the heck are these SJWers that are referring to. Usually that makes the OSJers all bitter over again. At best, it's like pulling teeth. Again, it took us three days to discover the ~100k London marchers were SJWers... or not.

The only constant is SJWer is a derogatory.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:47 PM   #131
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I would like to add to the definition of our new favorite derogatory: dense.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:59 PM   #132
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At least we know who the anti-SJWs are. We've got the woman who lies to protect the reputation of a cop convicted of raping 8 women. And the guy who got really mad at "survivor" being used to refer to rape (and who later apparently threatened to actually rape a rape survivor.) We've got the people from #gamergate who created a conspiracy theory because they didn't like a video game and then sent people some death threats over it.

There is a common theme here.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:34 PM   #133
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Actually, I spend a lot of time thinking about why those votes happened. Because I'm a liberal, I respect them voicing their opinion. I think their opinion is wrong and they are stupid. Most of the 60 million still love their kids and all that stuff - they aren't monsters but many are against good stuff happening to other people.

Immigration, abortion, gender issues, women, minorities... all OSJ positions have a "I don't want good thing x happen for group y because my feelings" component. That's like, their thing. Finding spots where some other people don't know their place.
This is amazing. I can't believe people actually believe this.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:37 PM   #134
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Yeah, I wouldn't consider all of the protesters to be SJW's, and clearly lots of people use the term however they please. Kind of like the term bigot and all the various -ists.
I would say the majority of them are sjws.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:45 PM   #135
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Many people have been seduced by the power of shaming. As happens with power they have become drunk with it - and corrupted. Those using the term SJW as a derogatory have just found a way to shame from another direction. The problem is shaming regardless of how it's aimed. We should all reject and disavow shaming - one day at a time.


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This is amazing. I can't believe people actually believe this.
Given that he is German, yes, I can totally believe it.

He probably curses the AfD for their bigotry and thinks that this is reality:
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Old 02-03-2017, 09:14 PM   #137
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Given that he is German, yes, I can totally believe it.

He probably curses the AfD for their bigotry and thinks that this is reality:
That video is life changing, and not in a positive way.

Sigh. The whole world has gone crazy. I truly don't understand. Is this a glitch in the matrix or something?

I'm not going crazy, right? Like, the media is a lying sack of idiocy, people have turned crazy, and virtue signalling is the most popular way to behave now. Oh, and free speech sucks now too.

I look at what I just typed and I can't help but to think I'm the one who sounds nuts. I'm thoroughly confused here. Once in a while I read posts from people like you and have some hope but it gets drowned out by these...Creatures (waves over in that direction).

We are doomed.
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Old 02-03-2017, 10:01 PM   #138
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That video is life changing, and not in a positive way.

Sigh. The whole world has gone crazy. I truly don't understand. Is this a glitch in the matrix or something?

I'm not going crazy, right? Like, the media is a lying sack of idiocy, people have turned crazy, and virtue signalling is the most popular way to behave now. Oh, and free speech sucks now too.

I look at what I just typed and I can't help but to think I'm the one who sounds nuts. I'm thoroughly confused here. Once in a while I read posts from people like you and have some hope but it gets drowned out by these...Creatures (waves over in that direction).

We are doomed.
To some extent, I do believe that we are repeating history, and it strikes me that the BS from the crazy left and the media is reminiscent to a lesser degree of the same BS that happened 1969-1972 that led to Nixon and Reagan. So at least for America, and with Trump being quite similar to a reincarnation of 1980-84 Reagan in terms of his main street advocacy, I believe things will be eventually be okay.

If you step away from the echo chamber that is the internet and Facebook and just talk to random people on the street in person*, you will find that the majority of them do not support the same thing these crazy left support, and that eventually the law and order side will prevail because people are just tired of this BS. Not for naught that the media has a 30%ish approval rating.



However, places like Germany are fux0red, and it breaks my heart.

*Unless you live in the SF, DC, the Sillycon valley and Seattle, in which case yeah that sucks.
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Old 02-03-2017, 10:35 PM   #139
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I agree with the entire post, mor****a. We are just going through the same things as before. I believe Trump will win 2 cycles, and during that time a lot of this bizarre SJW crap will die out.

I just hope it happens sooner rather than later, as it is intolerable.
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wil being shocked at people not being racist is the most amazing thing I've seen in a while.
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Americans who read brietbart think Germany is a refugee hellscape. Actual Germans don't. I wonder who is right?
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:44 AM   #142
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Americans who read brietbart think Germany is a refugee hellscape. Actual Germans don't. I wonder who is right?
Probably in the middle some where.
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:20 AM   #143
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Given that he is German, yes, I can totally believe it.

He probably curses the AfD for their bigotry and thinks that this is reality:
1. Yeah all Germans are the same, just like the blacks and gays. Ethnicity tells us sooo much - a label explains everything.
2. Of course I curse (more like laugh) at the afd, as does anybody with a clue. They are a racist, backwards "protest movement" with no policy, much less decency. Wonder who they remind me of...
3. The video is from a pretty well known, "liberal" satire-show. I'm not sure you get it.

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Probably in the middle some where.
You mean in the middle of Breitbart and reality? Lol, I'll stick to reality.
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However, places like Germany are fux0red, and it breaks my heart.
In which way is Germany ****ed? Your heart breaks for whom? We Germans neither want nor need your pity, everything's pretty chill around here "If you step away from the echo chamber that is the internet and Facebook and just talk to random people on the street in person" as you put it.

Or let me guess, "random person" means bitter old white guys? Not going to talk to this Turkish looking guy, he's probably not a real German anyway, is he?
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Europa, I want to congratulate you for being possibly the second worst poster in the history of 2+2, behind TheKid.
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I know you are but what am I?
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To some extent, I do believe that we are repeating history, and it strikes me that the BS from the crazy left... that happened 1969-1972 that led to Nixon and Reagan... eventually the law and order side will prevail because people are just tired of this BS...
Gee, how did R.Reagan handle campus unrest? Let's take a look back...

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People's Park in Berkeley, California, US... was created during the radical political activism of the late 1960s. Today, People's Park is a free public park...
First takeaway: the Hippies won, R.Reagan lost.

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... On... Sunday, April 20, more than 100 people arrived at the site to begin building the park... Eventually, about 1,000 people became directly involved, with many more donating money and materials. The park was essentially complete by mid-May... local Telegraph Avenue merchants voiced their appreciation...

However, Governor Ronald Reagan... called the Berkeley campus "a haven for communist sympathizers, protesters, and sex deviants." Reagan considered the creation of the park a direct leftist challenge to the... university, and he found in it an opportunity to fulfill his campaign promise...
One thing that stands out immediately is this: OSJers like reversing timelines and confusing cause and effect. To them the story is today's neo-fascists are a reaction to these mysterious SJWers and "the protestors". It's obviously the reverse, these protests are a reaction to today's neo-fascists. We see the same pattern back with the 1960s... R.Reagan had run on a platform of hippie bashing. The park was created peaceably.

This retconning to 'justify' authoritarianism is a page torn directly from the playbook of the actual 1930s euro-fascists. See: trains running on time.

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... On Thursday, May 15, 1969 at 4:30 a.m., Governor Reagan sent California Highway Patrol... into People's Park, overriding Chancellor Heyns' May 6 promise... The officers cleared an 8-block area around the park... Arriving in the early afternoon, protesters were met by... officers fired tear gas canisters. A major confrontation ensued... more officers were called in... Reagan's Chief of Staff, Edwin Meese III... assumed responsibility for the... People's Park protest, and he called in the Alameda County Sheriff's deputies... Under Meese's direction, police were permitted to use whatever methods they chose...

Officers in full riot gear (helmets, shields, and gas masks) obscured their badges to avoid being identified and headed into the crowds with nightsticks swinging... As the protesters retreated, the Alameda County Sheriff's deputies pursued them several blocks down Telegraph Avenue as far as... Derby Street, firing tear gas canisters and "00" buckshot at the crowd's backs as they fled...

Sheriff Frank Madigan of Alameda County justified the use of shotguns loaded with lethal buckshot... Sheriff Madigan did admit, however, that some of his deputies (many of whom were Vietnam War veterans) had been overly aggressive in their pursuit of the protesters, acting "as though they were Viet Cong."... "The indiscriminate use of shotguns [was] sheer insanity," according to Dr. Harry Brean... Alameda County Sheriff's deputies used shotguns to fire at people sitting on the roof at the Telegraph Repertory Cinema. James Rector, a student, was killed when shot by police... according to Time Magazine, Rector was a bystander, not a protester. Carpenter Alan Blanchard was permanently blinded by a load of birdshot directly to his face... At least 128 Berkeley residents were admitted to local hospitals for head trauma, shotgun wounds, and other serious injuries inflicted by police. The actual number of seriously wounded was likely much higher, because many of the injured did not seek treatment... to avoid being arrested... UCPD claims... one California Highway Patrol Officer... was knifed in the chest... That evening, Governor Reagan declared a state of emergency in Berkeley and sent in 2,700 National Guard troops...
When our new neo-fascist friendly friends blandly say "law and order", they're really fantasizing about coppers chasing hippies with shotguns. And...

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... For two weeks, the streets of Berkeley were patrolled by National Guardsmen, who broke up even small demonstrations with tear gas... During the People's Park incident, National Guard troops were stationed in front of Berkeley's empty lots to prevent protesters from planting flowers, shrubs, or trees. Young hippie women taunted and teased the troops... Hundreds were arrested, and Berkeley citizens who ventured out during curfew hours risked police harassment and beatings... police officers were discovered to be... removing their badges and donning grotesque Halloween-type masks (including pig faces) to attack citizens they found in the park...

Law enforcement was using a new form of crowd control, pepper gas. The editorial offices of Berkeley Tribe were sprayed with pepper gas and had tear gas canisters fired into the offices, injuring underground press staff. On May 20, 1969, National Guard helicopters flew over the Berkeley campus, dispensing airborne tear gas that winds dispersed over the entire city, sending school children miles away to hospitals... It had not yet been banned from warfare under the Chemical Weapons Convention..."
... para-military occupation, collective punishment, and airborne attacks on civilian population. Also pages ripped directly from the playbooks of the actual 1930s euro-fascists. Never forget about our new friend's fantasies. And always remember, when this happens, it'll all be those mysterious SJWers fault. Damn those SJWers !!!1!

Oh, speaking of recycling from old playbooks...

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... legislation before the U.S. House of Representatives that would have "cut off Federal aid to universities which fail to head off campus disorders." That legislation, the Higher Education Protection and Freedom of Expression Act of 1969 (Campus Disorder Bill, HR 11941, 91st Congress), was a response to mass protests and demonstrations at universities and colleges across the nation...
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Hopefully Trump teargasses these morons.
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2. Of course I curse (more like laugh) at the afd, as does anybody with a clue. They are a racist, backwards "protest movement" with no policy, much less decency. Wonder who they remind me of...
I didn't know much about them. Apparently their policies include conscription and denying global warming.
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