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02-03-2017 , 11:35 AM
And the other groups I'm bigoted against?
02-03-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
And the other groups I'm bigoted against?
Anyone that falls under your definition of "Nazi". I think I can assume, with justification from this thread and your posting history, that this encompasses a wider swath of people then just "skinheads" or "alt-right" morons like Richard Spencer.

The flailing only helps me. I think most rational people in this thread can draw a the conclusion that because you have a malleable definition of civil rights. That you don't think they apply to all people, especially groups to which you direct your intolerance, that you are malleable when it comes to all groups. Malleability on basic rights, especially something like someone's freedom from violence, leaves you open to aim that malleability and violence at whoever you choose to aim it at. Today it's Nazi's, 70 years ago in Germany people with you're malleability would have been able to turn a blind eye to ashes falling from the sky in the village next to Auschwitz. All with the justification that "Jews were bad".

You're disgusting. Don't make me have to spell it out for you and everyone else.
02-03-2017 , 12:17 PM
TT you accused me of being a bigoted person and all you can come up with is I say it's ok to punch a nazi. Other than you have nothing. Your dishonest rhetoric is what is disgusting and your pious belief that because you don't advocate violence against groups you despise that you are somehow morally superior to the rest of us. It's a shame you don't spend half as much time protesting against white supremacists as do against people who want to punch a nazi, you might actually make the world a better place instead of just increasing the noise.
02-03-2017 , 12:18 PM
Think about how you want people to be treated in this world and reflect it out to the world. Don't reflect violence, don't stand for violence, and we have a chance of creating a safer world for all people.

Yes, even people we despise.
02-03-2017 , 12:21 PM
And yet you stand for violence by supporting white supremacists.
02-03-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by turtletom
Anyone that falls under your definition of "Nazi". I think I can assume, with justification from this thread and your posting history, that this encompasses a wider swath of people then just "skinheads" or "alt-right" morons like Richard Spencer.

The flailing only helps me. I think most rational people in this thread can draw a the conclusion that because you have a malleable definition of civil rights. That you don't think they apply to all people, especially groups to which you direct your intolerance, that you are malleable when it comes to all groups. Malleability on basic rights, especially something like someone's freedom from violence, leaves you open to aim that malleability and violence at whoever you choose to aim it at. Today it's Nazi's, 70 years ago in Germany people with you're malleability would have been able to turn a blind eye to ashes falling from the sky in the village next to Auschwitz. All with the justification that "Jews were bad".

You're disgusting. Don't make me have to spell it out for you and everyone else.
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Originally Posted by kerowo
TT you accused me of being a bigoted person and all you can come up with is I say it's ok to punch a nazi. Other than you have nothing. Your dishonest rhetoric is what is disgusting and your pious belief that because you don't advocate violence against groups you despise that you are somehow morally superior to the rest of us. It's a shame you don't spend half as much time protesting against white supremacists as do against people who want to punch a nazi, you might actually make the world a better place instead of just increasing the noise.
History has proven my position to be morally superior. You sound like a creationist trying to deny evolution. I'm sorry I cracked holes in the veneer of your morality. Did I make you question your ethics? Did it hurt to know you and Nazi's hold similar views on justice and civil rights?

Like I said bitter pill to swallow for your ilk. It's the reason when people like you gain power one of the first groups you marginalize is the intelligentsia. You're an unthinking automaton with a penchant for violence. Drink it in baby girl.
02-03-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
And yet you stand for violence by supporting white supremacists.
I don't support them. I support their right to be free from the threat of violence. I support civil rights for all people and basic human decency.

I can see the drool from your computer on my screen right now. Stop and think for a second instead of flailing about like a drunk possum in the Louisiana bayou.
02-03-2017 , 12:24 PM
Steadily over a number of days since I started posting here, people have tried to align me with the right, which is tantamount to Nazi, Trump supporter, white supremacist. I am not of the right by the way.

They are all synonymns for "bad", "thing which I must oppose", "evil", etc.

It's a labelling mechanism.

Spencer and Milo for example are pretty different people, with pretty different views -- both tossers, of course, but for different reasons -- but that doesn't matter. NAZI!

Trump - NAZI

Lord or Turtle - NAZIs!

That's how it goes.
02-03-2017 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
They are all synonymns for "bad", "thing which I must oppose", "evil", etc.

It's a labelling mechanism.
But labelling people as SJWs isn't?
02-03-2017 , 12:43 PM
Ppl align you with the right bc you parrot rw talking points and engage in the dishonest tactics outlined in rw memo that has been circulating.
02-03-2017 , 12:54 PM
Talking points are talking points. Attack the argument not the perceived source.

"Dishonest tactics", lol
02-03-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap

As it is, neo-nazis are rightly marginalized in our society. Speaking honestly is really the only defense we need at this point.
Wrong.

The level of free speech absolutism you likely abide by, if adopted generally, would shoe horn **** like Nazism right back into public discourse as if it were socially acceptable. Speakers would be embraced on campuses, the public would be expected to politely head nod along, and suddenly impressionable kids and young adults are getting indoctrinated who otherwise wouldn't be.
02-03-2017 , 01:08 PM
I like that Milo is attempting the advance on "I have a black friend" with "I **** black men", but it really isn't the progress people were looking for.
02-03-2017 , 01:23 PM
turtletom,

There is no need to engage with Kerowo. He is one of the least intelligent and most dishonest people on this forum.
02-03-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Talking points are talking points. Attack the argument not the perceived source.

"Dishonest tactics", lol
well in this case I was referring to you bemoaning being "aligned with the right," so ofc it was apt.

and seriously, do you not think these tactics are dishonest?
02-03-2017 , 02:34 PM
02-03-2017 , 02:37 PM
Like I said, this **** has always been transparent.

Tom, Lord, Dan, everyone believes you are right wingers because you post exactly like right wingers, with the same cultural resentment triggers, the same rhetorical tics, and the same general worldview that rudeness to white people on the internet is worse than centuries of systemic oppression of minorities in the real world.
02-03-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well in this case I was referring to you bemoaning being "aligned with the right," so ofc it was apt.

and seriously, do you not think these tactics are dishonest?
They were my tactics?

One thing I'll give the Republicans is that they have a few things:

- strategy
- a game plan
- win at whatever cost

They pay no lip-service to morality at all, don't even pretend, but you can't deny they've been effective if you look at things objectively.
02-03-2017 , 02:45 PM
That isn't a Republican thing lord. Might want to try reading the link. Turtle, you can stop lying any time. You realize the posts are up for people to read?

Turtle, if you can post your transcript that you ever took a european history course I'll donate to the aclu in your name. But, you obviously didn't if you think "be nice to nazis" is a thing. Hitler said the only thing that could have stopped him was violence. They loved being drawn into debate. You are very ignorant of nazi history it seems.
02-03-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by turtletom
I want everyone to remember that ao condones any violence done in political opposition as acceptable if you are willing to be charged with a crime after.

The inferences you can make from that are truly terrifying.
You are a liar, who will not be able to provide evidence of this because it never happened. You are a dishonest liar.
02-03-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Wrong.

The level of free speech absolutism you likely abide by, if adopted generally, would shoe horn **** like Nazism right back into public discourse as if it were socially acceptable. Speakers would be embraced on campuses, the public would be expected to politely head nod along, and suddenly impressionable kids and young adults are getting indoctrinated who otherwise wouldn't be.
The next time you have the urge to start an argument with "the _______ you likely abide by", step away from your keyboard and do something to clear your mind. Get a coffee, go for a walk, punch a nazi... whatever you want. (Though I would judge you for that last one)

You have to at least to pretend to care what it is that I ACTUALLY believe before giving me your knock down argument against that belief.

It strikes me as possible that you don't fully appreciate the value of honest conversation because you don't really know what those words mean.
02-03-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Wrong.

The level of free speech absolutism you likely abide by, if adopted generally, would shoe horn **** like Nazism right back into public discourse as if it were socially acceptable.
That is the whole purpose of the argument offered by the poster you are addressing.
02-03-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK

One thing I'll give the Republicans is that they have a few things:

- strategy
- a game plan
- win at whatever cost

They pay no lip-service to morality at all, don't even pretend, but you can't deny they've been effective if you look at things objectively.
Quelle surprise.

On the avatar thing again... you do know that looks a bit like a Nazi, don't you?

You've expressed an interest in gaming and sound a bit like a Gamergater. Are you anything to do with the 'Lord JvK' on LinkedIn who claims to be a 'professional gamer' from the Netherlands?
02-03-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Like I said, this **** has always been transparent.

Tom, Lord, Dan, everyone believes you are right wingers because you post exactly like right wingers, with the same cultural resentment triggers, the same rhetorical tics, and the same general worldview that rudeness to white people on the internet is worse than centuries of systemic oppression of minorities in the real world.
lol fly says it better than me. no wonder you guys hate him so much.
02-03-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by turtletom
I don't support them. I support their right to be free from the threat of violence.
Same thing, really.

      
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