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02-02-2017 , 04:18 PM

#1076

turtletom

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Also, who can honestly say that Milo is a white nationalist? When he is gay, a jew, and exclusively ****s black dudes. If that is your deluded interpretation of a Nazi or a white nationalist it's obvious you just want to shut down whole parts of society that disagree with you.

02-02-2017 , 04:30 PM

#1077

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Milo's sole intention is to carve a niche for himself and make more money saying outrageous garbage.

Rioters shut down his event talking to 200 of his groupies and then gave him the floor for CNN and was on Fox News.

Streisand effect in full force. If people had just left him be to his devices nobody would care.

Instead of speaking to just 200 kids, he now gets to speaks to millions. The Rioters last night literally played into his hands. He's going to book 100 more tours like this right in liberal areas where there is a chance for more of these riots to happen.

02-02-2017 , 04:31 PM

#1078

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You posted the definition turtle. Who have I or Kerowo been intolerant of, in this thread or others?

Jesus christ you compared people saying "it's fine to punch a nazi" with people who have committed genocide? Are you insane? You literally said the people who are shouting down nazis are as bad as Nazis. This is legitimately the opinion of an insane person.

02-02-2017 , 04:32 PM

#1079

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Originally Posted by Tien

Milo's sole intention is to carve a niche for himself and make more money saying outrageous garbage.

Rioters shut down his event talking to 200 of his groupies and then gave him the floor for CNN and Fox News.

Streisand effect in full force. If people had just left him be to his devices nobody would care.

Instead of speaking to just 200 kids, he now gets to speaks to millions. The Rioters last night literally played into his hands. He's going to book 100 more tours like this right in liberal areas where there is a chance for more of these riots to happen.

I'd go easy on the millions. He'll still get ~tens to a couple hundred thousand per youtube video. His subscribers won't all of a sudden jump to a million. Otherwise, you're correct.

02-02-2017 , 04:32 PM

#1080

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Originally Posted by TheMadcap

Ok. So your claim is that you think that nazis are special in this regard and are the only ones who should be punched? Fine.

I still disagree and not, as you seemed to be suggesting, for any hateful reasons.

How exactly do you determine who is a nazi? Clearly there is disagreement on whether milo is a white supremacist. Is that enough? Should he be punched? People don't come with labels.

Why are you defending nazis? Why are you trying to pull Milo into this?

02-02-2017 , 04:41 PM

#1081

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Kerowo has basically only stated that punching a nazi is ok. They have received several rebuttals and been called a bigot for this.

Question for madcap, turtle etc. When you woke up this morning, did you imagine you would spend most of your day defending nazis?

02-02-2017 , 04:44 PM

#1082

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Why are you defending nazis? Why are you trying to pull Milo into this?

Defending a nazis right to speak is different then defending the nonsense that they spew. You seem to be conflating the two.

What criteria would you use to determine who is a nazi?

02-02-2017 , 04:46 PM

#1083

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Defending a nazis right to speak is different then defending the nonsense that they spew. You seem to be conflating the two.

What criteria would you use to determine who is a nazi?

I think we're staying at the people who self identify as a nazi, for now. Those neo nazis you "Don't seem to care for."

02-02-2017 , 04:47 PM

#1084

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Lol. I think it's a first.

02-02-2017 , 04:50 PM

#1085

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

I think we're staying at the people who self identify as a nazi, for now. Those neo nazis you "Don't seem to care for."

Once you start punching them won't they just stop self identifying as nazis and keep spouting the same nonsense?

The fact that you said 'for now' is telling. This line of thinking is problematic.

02-02-2017 , 04:54 PM

#1086

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

I think we're staying at the people who self identify as a nazi, for now. Those neo nazis you "Don't seem to care for."

Don't lie. You obviously aren't talking about people who self identify as nazi's bc you condoned the violence at the milo event. I doubt very few if any people at that event identified as nazi's. I know Milo certainly doesn't. It's obvious, you want to paint anyone who dare presses your ridiculous ideology, should we call it religion, as a nazi. Once you feel comfortable painting a portion of the populace this way, you can then proceed to make them subhuman, i.e. you deny them basic rights and decency, then you proceed to attack violently and shut them down.

Bigot.

02-02-2017 , 04:57 PM

#1087

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Originally Posted by TheMadcap

Defending a nazis right to speak is different then defending the nonsense that they spew. You seem to be conflating the two.

What criteria would you use to determine who is a nazi?

Again, I'm not saying Nazis can't speak, I'm saying it's ok to punch them when they do. I haven't heard anyone say that guy wasn't a nazi so I'm ok with that.

02-02-2017 , 04:58 PM

#1088

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Either you believe in treating all humans equally, including the most vile, or you don't. Someone who doesnt believe in equal treatment for all is much more of a threat to society than one who does.

Choose wisely or suffer whatever future consequences the violence you condone brings to the society you live. It won't bring peace, justice, and happiness.

02-02-2017 , 04:59 PM

#1089

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OK turtle, I'm bigoted against Nazis, who are the 2 other groups I'm bigoted against?

02-02-2017 , 05:01 PM

#1090

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Again, I'm not saying Nazis can't speak, I'm saying it's ok to punch them when they do. I haven't heard anyone say that guy wasn't a nazi so I'm ok with that.

Is it ok to punch a Marxist? What about the people carrying around maoist or soviet flags, both of whom commited equal to or more violence than the Nazi's? We should punch them too right?

02-02-2017 , 05:02 PM

#1091

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Originally Posted by turtletom

Sure, I'll treat all humans who don't want to exterminate another group of people the same. If you are in favor of gassing millions of Jews I don't feel the need to treat you the same as someone who likes vanilla ice cream. If I ever become enamored of gassing millions of people I will expect to be treated poorly.

02-02-2017 , 05:02 PM

#1092

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What criteria would you use to determine who is a nazi?

Openly advocating genocide, giving the Hitler salute in public and using the expression 'Hail victory!' (the English translation of 'Sieg Heil!'), all of which Spencer has done, are kind of a sort of a bit of a giveaway.

Plus the haircut.

02-02-2017 , 05:02 PM

#1093

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Originally Posted by turtletom

Is it ok to punch a Marxist? What about the people carrying around maoist or soviet flags, both of whom commited equal to or more violence than the Nazi's? We should punch them too right?

No, punching is for Nazis.

02-02-2017 , 05:11 PM

#1094

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Again, I'm not saying Nazis can't speak, I'm saying it's ok to punch them when they do. I haven't heard anyone say that guy wasn't a nazi so I'm ok with that.

Distinction without a difference...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

How about some criteria that aren't obviously post hoc. Presumably you would still advocate punching him if he only was doing 2 of those 3 things.

So, basically, you are deciding as you go who you should punch, right?

02-02-2017 , 05:13 PM

#1095

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Originally Posted by TheMadcap

Distinction without a difference...

No I'm saying free speech isn't consequence free speech. You say nazi stuff people are going to think you're a nazi and want to punch you. Don't bitch because you got punched for saying nazi ****.

02-02-2017 , 05:16 PM

#1096

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Originally Posted by TheMadcap

Once you start punching them won't they just stop self identifying as nazis and keep spouting the same nonsense?

The fact that you said 'for now' is telling. This line of thinking is problematic.

No, I just think things in the United States are bound to get a lot worse. I'd hope not. But, if one side says they are unilaterally opposed to violence and the other side thinks the first side doesn't think the first side should exist, there is a problem. Richard Spencer was punched by a person he had openly opined about whether genocide against that person was a good idea. If you are publicly on the record saying you want to exterminate me and my family, I will punch you.

02-02-2017 , 05:16 PM

#1097

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Originally Posted by mongidig

These people would happily punch a Nazi but would invite a Imam who preaches death to America over for dinner.

They support the rioting.

These people are thugs!

Stop lying. It's pathetic.

02-02-2017 , 05:21 PM

#1098

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Originally Posted by turtletom

Don't lie. You obviously aren't talking about people who self identify as nazi's bc you condoned the violence at the milo event. I doubt very few if any people at that event identified as nazi's. I know Milo certainly doesn't. It's obvious, you want to paint anyone who dare presses your ridiculous ideology, should we call it religion, as a nazi. Once you feel comfortable painting a portion of the populace this way, you can then proceed to make them subhuman, i.e. you deny them basic rights and decency, then you proceed to attack violently and shut them down.

Bigot.

Where? I said I supported people protesting. I did not condone anything, nor express any views on what they should or should not have done. You will not find any quotes on such.
Again, you are a liar.
I am a Canadian who has voted Conservative, Liberal AND NDP in my short lifetime. I would ****ing love to see you accuse me of denying people basic rights and decency because I said it's ok to punch a nazi.

02-02-2017 , 05:21 PM

#1099

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Originally Posted by turtletom

White nationalists can't be gay, Jewish or **** black dudes? Is that a serious argument? It's obviously wrong.

White nationalists do defend other white nationalists and join in attacks against black people. Milo fits the bill here.

02-02-2017 , 05:22 PM

#1100

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Again, I'm not saying Nazis can't speak, I'm saying it's ok to punch them when they do. I haven't heard anyone say that guy wasn't a nazi so I'm ok with that.

To be clear, this poster has never punched anyone in his entire life.

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