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09-19-2014 , 09:18 PM

#101

rjoefish

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http://www.realclearscience.com/jour...ks_106500.html

09-19-2014 , 09:40 PM

#102

Anais

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I'm hoping at this point that DS proves a kindred soul with #dudebitterly and says we should ignore real world truths instead for scenarios we dream up in our heads

09-19-2014 , 10:44 PM

#103

sweep single

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnyCrash

The truth is that white people are crazy. Just about all the mass killers are white.

Not quite

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Res...SerKillers.htm

09-19-2014 , 10:55 PM

#104

zikzak

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I stick to my point but it has less to do with my thinking some black people's plight is not as bad as you think but rather much more with my opinion that many geeky types live lives of more desperation than people realize.

Don't forget that the swap was from nerd to average black guy. Average. I think that more than half of black males are happier than the particular type of white guy I feel sorry for.

My sympathies for and understanding of geeks is very real. I absolutely do get it, but there are limits. You can learn how to be less socially awkward. You can't learn how to be less black.

I have a lot of patience for people who are making a genuine effort to improve themselves in areas where they are obviously lacking. I have absolutely no patience for people who refuse to acknowledge their own flaws.

09-20-2014 , 12:20 AM

#105

David Sklansky

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Plus the two fold increase in suicide probably means a two fold increase in "almost suicidal". Plus remember that this statistic was about whites in general rather than those I was talking about. Plus I didn't say that the eight vs two was irrelevant but only that it need not be. I don't know enough to be sure.

09-20-2014 , 12:40 AM

#106

Anais

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Plus the two fold increase in suicide probably means a two fold increase in "almost suicidal".

Do you think the homicide metric also counts "almost homicide?"

09-20-2014 , 01:05 AM

#107

David Sklansky

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Whatever the actual numbers there is a subset of white people who are less happy than a substantial number of black people. And if some of those people are insensitive to racially offensive posts it isn't an excuse to make fun of them.

09-20-2014 , 01:10 AM

#108

rjoefish

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Thinking you have it worse than some black people is no excuse to overlook racial insensitivity, let alone embrace it.

09-20-2014 , 01:30 AM

#109

David Sklansky

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Has anyone implied otherwise?

09-20-2014 , 01:32 AM

#110

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

The concept of unintentional insensitivity to racism is not popularly considered very often. Surprising at first to find this in mental health populations. Not surprising to find it in teenagers.

09-20-2014 , 02:46 AM

#111

ctyri

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

And if some of those people are insensitive to racially offensive posts it isn't an excuse to make fun of them.

Of course it is.

Being depressed isn't a "get out of criticism free" card for making terrible arguments and being insensitive for why they are terrible.

09-20-2014 , 03:35 AM

#112

kioshk

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Title is lol, easy to see where this was going.

09-20-2014 , 07:23 AM

#113

FlyWf

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kioshk, oh no, did it hurt baby's fee-fees again? Jesus you are the most hypersensitive nancy on the whole forum.

09-20-2014 , 07:28 AM

#114

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Originally Posted by ctyri

Of course it is.

Being depressed isn't a "get out of criticism free" card for making terrible arguments and being insensitive for why they are terrible.

I'll split the difference here, because it's important.

David, that insensitivity card does it exist, but it's a one time only use. So someone like swissmiss gets to play that the first time. When she goes to BAT for a whole month defending Bruce(et al.), when Alex spends half a decade defending Jim Crow...

No. **** them. They used that card up a while ago. They are aware their conduct is unacceptable and continue anyway. At that point I don't care why.

09-20-2014 , 09:39 AM

#115

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Given that the term "politically correct" was usurped by the right wing in the 1990s as a way of complaining about not being able to say certain things about minorities, yes, whining about PC is highly correlated with racist beliefs.

(incidentally, the left used "politically correct" not to mock conservatives, but to mock other members of the left for following the party line too closely and unthinkingly.)

Wiki claims "Politically Correct." was popularized in Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Sex on Campus by Dinesh D’Souza, who might--might be a racist:

09-20-2014 , 10:31 AM

#116

jjshabado

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Wow at that tweet. Could someone who likes to defend racists tell me a non-racist explanation for that, because I'm literally stumped.

09-20-2014 , 10:39 AM

#117

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seriously.

w
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at that tweet

09-20-2014 , 10:40 AM

#118

SmokeyQ123

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I hear Howard Beale's a fan though

09-20-2014 , 10:46 AM

#119

AlexM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Half a decade or not once ever. One of those.

09-20-2014 , 10:50 AM

#120

AlexM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13ball

(incidentally, the left used "politically correct" not to mock conservatives, but to mock other members of the left for following the party line too closely and unthinkingly.)

This is the way I've always taken it, but then, I do my best to ignore conservatives.

That Souza guy looks pretty racist.

09-20-2014 , 10:59 AM

#121

AsianNit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjshabado

Wow at that tweet. Could someone who likes to defend racists tell me a non-racist explanation for that, because I'm literally stumped.

Obviously, he's only play-acting at being a racist because there is a lot of constructive dialogue that can be had by offending people who are taken out of their comfort zone by racism.

09-20-2014 , 12:02 PM

#122

ctyri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13ball

Wiki claims "Politically Correct." was popularized in Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Sex on Campus by Dinesh D’Souza, who might--might be a racist

How well can he explain integration by parts?

This info is critical before we can judge that tweet.

09-20-2014 , 01:29 PM

#123

FlyWf

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Not really directly on point but too great for a LC thread, http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...wpmk=MK0000203

Some dip**** white lady called the cops on the Daily Show for exposing her to getting called racist.

But it's time to go farther than the title. It doesn't merely correlate with being a racist, IT IS racist. Whining about political correctness invariably works itself out as trivializing or denying institutional white supremacy.

09-20-2014 , 01:46 PM

#124

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

... IT IS racist. Whining about political correctness invariably works itself out as trivializing or denying institutional white supremacy.

This. It's certainly possible to express inconvenience or annoyance with how word usage changes over time... without ever resorting to the PC 'dog whistle'.

For example, I'm still bitter about the how the words 'hacker' and 'libertarian' have been hyjacked by the MSM over the years. But I don't start in prating about "PC this-or-that". If I did... then I'd be blowing that PC 'dog-whistle' about trivializing/denying the existence of institutionalized oppressions.

09-20-2014 , 02:01 PM

#125

The REAL Trolly

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“It was disingenuous. The Native Americans accused me of things that were so wrong. I felt in danger. I didn’t consent to that. I am going to be defamed.”

Is this really a thing in real life now? This conflating racism accusations with physical harm thing that AlexM and spanky do on the internet, has this expanded out into real life? Oh well, good thing Dupont Circle doesn't have stand your ground laws or things might get all Wounded Knee.

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