You need to show both cards to win the pot. Anyone, including the dealer, telling your father to flip his other card would violate OPTAH. It's not so much that the hand is "dead", but at some point, the dealer has to pull in the non-winning hands. And technically, your father didn't show a winning hand. So by letter of the rules, things went down correctly. That said, people will usually say "show both" or "2 cards to win" with no complaints, especially at 1/2.

Dunno about that ruling but I know that you have to show BOTH cards if you want to get shipped the pot at FW. pretty crappy that no one just told him to turn over the other card though.

That is odd. I have seen this happen more times than I can count(someone just flipping over one card) and the dealer(or another player) says, you must show two to win.

I would have called the floor

This makes sense, thank you.

I kind of agree, but I guess the OPTAH ruling comes into effect here.

He said if it was a big pot, he might have. But for a $25 pot, he just let it go and chalked it up to a lesson-learned at his first 1/2 session.

Still, if I were the woman in the hand with him, I think I woulda felt bad taking a pot like that. Seems like a crappy way to win a pot.

This is right. I have seen this many, many times. I have never seen a hand declared dead when only one card was tabled; I have always heard the dealer say, "You must show both cards to win" (I suppose this is simply stating the rule, whereas actually telling him to turn over the other card would violate OPTAH?). Your dad got screwed and should have called the floor.
Great job by FW to encourage a new player....

Haven't been down there in a few weeks - dealers getting to keep there own tips yet? I know they've been repeatedly delaying the implementation....

^ sept 25th iirc

This is exactly what happened the first time I made this goof. Such an easy spot for the dealer to discreetly keep the play fair and moving without breaking any rules. Don't know why no one else said anything though. Maybe the whole table were new to FW and didn't know either?

Well to be fair, the floor, if called, would probably have told your dad the rule. I'm looking forward to the dealers keeping their own tips later this month because I strongly suspect we'll see an increase in overall professionalism and less fubar like this.

Don't get me wrong, there are many very good dealers at FW, but there are some real stinkers too. One spacecase I had this weekend managed to pull my cards from under my fingers(!) and muck my pf TT, and later in the same hand wasn't paying attention when a player who had declared "all in" and had his hand on his stack, yell out "check" and pull his chips back when he saw the 9 seat about to insta-call.

I took that as my cue to cash out soon afterward.

just got an email from FW for discounted rooms for the rest of the month

Since MA casinos would have an impact on not just Foxwoods but the whole area (Mohegan, NH rooms), it's the perfect discussion piece for this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/20...ssion-1087641/

admittedly i play lower stakes anytime a newbie or a wiseguy shows only one the dealer announces you have to show 2 cards to win i would say i have seen that at least 20 times without a muck or a dead hand declaration

I don't think FW finds the poker room to be a pain to run, and I do think they pride themselves on being the best poker room around (hell, look what they did by opening up the new tournament area). That said, poker generates a mere speck of profit for them in the big picture. There's a reason they've cut back on offers for poker players - they're trying to make it more profitable. I honestly don't think they'd shed any tears if they were to lose poker altogether.

I am planning on coming up this afternoon and staying until Saturday night with the sole intention of playing 1/2 PLO high only...if you want to play come by and get on the list so we can get it going all weekend!

Down with that, if i can grab a ride I am good for plo or plo8 all day!

Get the game of the future going!

Those are all good questions. I have no idea how (or if) they account for any ancillary income they receive. That's good to hear about AC, it sets a precedent anyway. And yes, I bet FW would've lost many of their better dealers to the new MA rooms, assuming the MA rooms won't pool.

What's the buying for 1/2 plo high? would it be same as 1/2 nl?

might be going down tonight and wouldn't mind a 1/2 plo high game. I'll be the fish in that game but it is so fun I don't care haha,

The buy in for 1-2 plo or plo8 is $60 - $300.

The plo8 is usually littered with short stackers buying in for 60-100. Many times you will have people checking out the game and passing because of the smaller stacks

The high only game gets the nlhe players. They usually by in for the max and will give action and are prepared to rebuy if needed. It plays more like a 2-5 game.

I have said all along that the floor should realize how the game plays and should raise the buy in. In my opinion the min buy in should be 100 bb or $200.

More realistic maybe to get the games going could be 100 or 150 min with a 1k cap.

Anyways if the right group of players get the plo high going and it can go for a couple of hours, it becomes a very very deep stack game with a lot of action. Almost at a disadvantage to be only able to buy in for the max.

Five players on the list so far. Let's try to get it going before it gets super busy and they're only worried about 1/2nlhe

Gah they just called the hi/lo

anybody have any suggestions for golf around foxwoods? would prefer to keep it under $60 and somewhere between FW and newport

http://riverridgegolf.com/

Anyone have any details on the supposed 10/25 that ran today? It always seems to run when I am conspicuously absent, which leads me to believe people don't like my free money .

I had two big strokes of luck this week:
1) Allin set under set, spiked the one-outer on the turn.
2) Hit the candy promo for $25 cash.
Which one was less likely? (I'm guessing #2).

Had fun last night. The supposed "expert" at the table was the one winning the least amount of money. He would criticize everyone's play but never won a hand.

I re raised him pre with garbage and he folded and said "You had Aces right?"

I gave him a vague response and he goes "I saw one of them." I go "You did?"

and he says in a serious tone "Yep".

gangster. I think you should move up.