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Played about 9 hours last nifght at table 5. After being stuck $400, the 2 AM drinking crowd came in and paid it all back except maybe $50. I cut my losses around 4:45 AM.
Only had 2 dealers mess up. One messed up about 6 times in one down. the other, well she is normally good and was just having a spell of mistakes.

Depends on how you look at it.

Is it a $34 +11 structure, or a $45 - 11 structure, to you? I agree that people are making a math mistake in saying $11 is 1/3 of $34, so it's about a third.... but I think that's where it's coming from.

Anyone played the SNG's yet

Curious to see your thoughts....

Was told they got a little over 50 people for today's $150 noon tournament... not bad considering it pretty much just got put out there all of three days ago. Should definitely get more people as word spreads and especially when the official tourney room is completed... the 10/11 AM M-F tourney started the same way and now gets 100+ almost daily.

I agree. I think that with no advertising & short notice, this was a great turnout. I remember the first Borgata tourny. It looked like a SNG. After a couple of weeks, when word got out, they were averaging 150+ each day, no matter the buy-in. I think that DP will do the same.

Your a pretty classy guy. You should tip the dealer if you just won 12K. These people are trying to make a living just like you and I. I realize you have to look long term but come on now. I won 17K at an event at the Bellagio and gave the dealer 500 without thinking twice about it.

I donked off 220.00 last night on a terrible play on my part. On the button with 5 hearts 5 clubs on a straddle from UTG. I limp in (stupid) and get five players with a check option.Flop comes Q clubs, 7 diamonds, 8 diamonds. After the flop, the BB bets 6.00 with two or three callers and comes back to me on the button and I go "set mining', calling the 6.00. That's where I made the mistake, because hitting the set would/could have still been bad and it turned out that way. Lost to 4 6 diamonds. I hit the set on the turn with a 5 spades. 12.00 bet, call, fold, fold and my raise to 45.00, bb folds and "all in" for by the 12.00 limper who had 8 or 9 hundred in front. As it turned out, 5 diamonds on the river would have made the BBJ, but it was a stupid call on my part for 6.00 after the flop and putting myself in a position like that, I got what I deserved. I should have thought more about it. With the play as it was, 4 6 suited may have called the staddle, and maybe even 6 9 suited. Sometimes I play too fast for my brain to come to the right choices. Bought another couple of reds and was able to make much of my donkey money back, but left down. Two hands later I fold to a 100.00 bet after the flop, holding a k with k 7 4 two diamonds on the board. I fold and the better shows his flush draw. One of those nights where I just did too much wrong to win.

I'm still upset at myself over the donk play and want to try something new and not NL just for kicks.

I'd like to play 3/6 or 4/8 Pineapple/Crazy Pineapple mix or Horse. I just called over and put my name on the interest list. If anyone is there now and wants to try to get that going, let me know. It wouldn't take me more than 15 minutes to get there.

Not sure how late you stuck around last night, layemdown, but we actually did get a $5/$10 Horse game going around midnight or so. We were stuck 4 handed the entire time, could have used another player!

Probably not too likely to get a game going tonight since it's already close to 11, but maybe we can get something going next Friday.

I heard them calling the game just as I was leaving. I'm starting to think 5-10 limit or 10-20 might be a good game for me. I also like the 2.00 rake, but I don't expect that to last forever. When the new room opens, I believe that other game options other then 1/2 or 2/5 nl will work their way into the mix. Don't get me wrong, I'm beating the NL game at DP, but a little mistake in NL or a bad river/turn can mean the difference between a great night and a bad night. You can do it all right, make all the right reads and get brutally punished. I like limit because it's more about distance and consistency than a simple unlucky river. But, I'll take a NL game over 3/6 hold em just because I get bored. I'll play 3/6 horse, pineapple, 4/8, 5/10 or more hold em, but haven't sat at a 3/6 table at DP yet. I want to find that pineapple game going. I will be there tomorrow and will start an interest list if ones not already going.

Alright, maybe I'll swing by for a few hours tomorrow if I see the game is running. I've never played Pineapple, but the rules seem pretty simple.

Yeah I agree, I do think limit is actually a better game, but unless you can play at $5/$10 or higher, it's tough to make a decent profit. I used to play primarily low limit hold 'em ($2/$4 and $3/$6 and occasionally $4/$8). It wasn't until I tried NL at DE Park that I realized how much of a grind those levels really are.

I think limit is where you can truly prove you're a good poker player because of what you said (distance and consistency). I always hear people say they don't like limit because players keep chasing and you can't bet them off the hand. That just says to me that a lot of NL players really aren't very good at poker. That's one of the reasons I play Horse and other games like Stud and Omaha. I think you've got to be good at a variety of games to be considered good player. Very few players gain my respect simply by being able to throw out a large bet in NL because they have AA or hit an A with their AK.

He said they already had taken 3% out for the dealers so he didn't tip more, and you act like you were so much more generous with your tip. You actually tipped just under 3% (2.94%).

This is just my take on SNG's and I stink at them. They are a lot of fun if you understand what your getting into. SNG's are very quick and winning is more about luck combined with solid play than solid play. The blinds move so fast that I can't to use tactics that I'd normally play in tournament/cash action. They last less than two hours and probably closer to one and a half. To me, too much patience is not something I can afford. I played just one and concluded aggression was the best course of action. Of course, I was first out with a 10 10 race against a callers A Q off, so don't take my advice, as I've never won any of the three I've played between DP and the Borgata. I've played SNG's at the Borgata (with similar structure and blinds, but less runners paid out) when I'm winning and want to have some fun. They don't cost much, but where poker is a beatable game, SNG's are a lot like playing "Let it Ride". You get lucky, you win, not so lucky, you lose. Poker skill is much less important in a SNG than regular tournament or cash game, but they bring in players to the room and people want to play them. I appreciate DP running them as I suspect we get some BJ and Craps players playing them and if they win, they hopefully feel ready for a cash game (if I'm lucky, at my table). They remind my of what our family does with 10 or 20 dollars when we get together. We play increased blinds at each revolution and we have fun, and don't get hurt.

Just my opinion. "Truer words have rarely been spoken". I know I'm a better limit player than NL guy. My biggest problem with NL is that I have a tendency to tilt when I make a mistake or get it "all in" as an 80% favorite and end up stacked. Actually, it's the mistakes I make that are worse on me. I'd much rather lose getting it in "good" than calling an "all in" move like a donk on a bad read. Those hands play in my mind over and over and over and I can usually see where I made the mistake..... maybe it makes me better, but it's hard work. (see my donkey post about a hand Friday night) In limit, one mistake/bad read won't usually stack me, but in NL, I tend to question my stupidity for the next two hours and then make another mistake or two or get bet off the best hand.

Played 8 hours last night at table 19. Table was brutal at first for me (stuck 200 in first 4 hands) but got better as people left and came. Had a ton of calling stations and made them play to chase. Did manage to get a drunk player around 1am and he was the atm you want at your table. Grinded back to +331 in the black and was happy with that. Once again had a fun time and the room was well run. We did manage to get half rake as the table got to 6 handed. Be back Wednesday and Thursday.

Was there Thursday night on the list for 3/6 Pineapple, 3/6 Omaha 8b, and 3/6 HORSE. Never got off the ground. However, I will continue to put my name up for all three every time I go as I am getting tired of playing 3/6 limit and losing to the rake. I may lose at those other games to the rake as well, but I at least will have a ****load more fun doing it.

For the HORSE, has anyone been successful getting them to fix the problems of having to play a $1 ante? Any ideas there? I know that many serious stud players refuse to play it with such a high ante and consider it a broken game.

That HORSE game is fatally broken. I will drive past DP all the way to AC and the TAJ to play 7CS 5-10 with a fifty cent ante. It's actually worth the drive for that difference. An equivalent game at DP would have me in their seats...but a buck at a 3-6 game is way out of line.

They get three percent divided by all the dealers so really like .03 percent for the final dealer so yes I was a lot more generous buddy.

You'd actually drive an extra 2 hours both ways for a 50 cent reduction in the ante? I'd rather be spending that 4 hours playing cards than driving for a measly 50 cent reduction in the ante, but that's just me.

I do agree that the $1 ante for $3/$6 is too much for the stakes, but until they're able to have 50 cent chips, I'll let the $1 ante go. It at least gives us a little something to play for if the table is short handed, which it can be a lot of the time given the general lack of interest in Horse.

I have an idea about the ante. Run it like a few horse tournaments, where the button antes for the table..... maybe 4 bucks. If a player is away, then the button passes him and he gets a missed blind in the stud games and razz. It gets a little hairy if the button is missed and he comes back in a game of Hold em or Omaha. But, the dollar ante in horse is high.

Anthony, how can you fix this. Can you just stack off an ante in a cash game from a player who missed his button, if the button is required to ante for the table in horse ante games? How can you fix it so it's not a dollar out in the ante games?

There might be some legal issue involved with stacking off a cash ante from an absent player. That's the best solution and is what is done in some Horse tournament games, but those are chips and not cash. The alternative would be the button misses an ante in the ante games, comes back in non-ante games and still has to post the 4 dollar ante as a dead blind.

Any other ideas?

I don't play stud so I may be completely wrong here but wouldn't you just need to adjust your strategy for this to be a tolerable format? This just builds the pot a little prior to any action right?

It seems to me that I would rather play with a larger ante than just having the stud round w/ .25 or .50 antes. If you're a sound player who can adjust wouldn't that almost create an overlay for each hand?

So, you don't know how to play in loose-structured stud games?

"fatally" broken? Really?

It actually builds the pot up too much. If you get a full ring of 8 players, then the pot is $9 before any action even takes place. That's more than double what a normal $3/$6 pot would be if you were playing Hold 'Em or Omaha. It also costs a player $24 to go through the Razz, Stud and Stud 8 rounds (8 hands per round). At $3/$6 don't you think that's a bit much just to go through the round?

I was there thursday from 5p-9p for 1/2nl at table 19 but i wanted the 3/6 HORSE game to start. The list got to five people, but no more. At what point do they start the game. If they start the game with five people and no rake until the table fills I bet others would soon sit down.

Agree. 3/6 w/ a $1 ante is ridiculous. I'm dying to play Razz live (and would drive 1 hr. 30 mins. to DP), but not with that structure.

The lowest limit for any stud game w/ a $1 ante should be 4/8, which is common in CA rooms and mixed games in LV.

IMO, I always thought the 5/10 game @ Taj would be better w/ a $1 ante as opposed to .50 cents.