I'm not sure about the spillover but that would really annoy me as well.

I usually tip 7%, 4% on top. However when I played the 11 am Wednesday and finished 13th when 36 or maybe it was 27, I was the first person to tip on top of the 3%. So I don't really know what is standard.

I think you have miscalculated.
The dealer tips are taken from the entire prize pool, not just from the player collecting the spillover cash.

The Jitney stops on Pacific Ave. Take the 2 traveling toward the Showboat. The 1 and 2 both stop at the Taj.

In a regular tourny, yes, but I am talking about the survivor tournys.

Where did you ever get the idea that dealers tips are paid any differently in Survivors tournaments?

from a friend who won the spillover. While everyone else got the whole 10x the buy-in, the whole 3% was taken off the spillover.

Example: $100 + $20 Survivor Tournament with 86 Players

86 X $100 = $8600

$8600 X 3%tip = $258

$8600 - $258 = $8342

8 playes win $1000

Spill over wins $342

Stan

That is pretty ridiculous. Then again it would seem odd marketing if the winners won 970 instead of 1000. Not sure if I'm a fan of this though...

It's actually the way it should be. It's a survivor tourney where it's stated that 1 in 10 wins 10X the buy in. The spillover is extra $$ so nothing is guaranteed there. The value of "1-10" is the most important aspect.

I literally have no problem with that rule at all

Yea, I said something of that nature by saying it would be weird to market top 10% get 9.7x their money! But I still find it weirdout to tip the entire amount out of 1 prize, but I guess what you say about it being non guaranteed extra money makes sense. Chris owning me like always.

I think there is usually only 1 #3 jitney, and it it doesn't run in the middle of the night (I think from 2AM-6AM). The #2 always goes to the Borgata though, and there are multiple ones running at all times..

Actually, I don't interpret the rule as being the whole tip comes out of the spillover. It's actually taken from all prizes equally. It just so happens that in most examples it "looks" like it's coming from the spillover. But it's not.

Consider:

80 entries. $100 + $20 survivor.

80 x $100 = $8,000 prize pool

$8,000 * 3 pct = $240

$8,000-240 = $7760

7 players win $1000

8th place gets $760

So you see in this case, the tip makes the spillover more than you'd expect. But it takes away one "first prize." So actually the 3% tip off the top affects every prize equally, not just the bubble/spillover. As makes logical sense if you think about it.

Pippen, you are only tipping the dealers, if you won $1000 in a regular tourny without the 3% taken out how much would you tip? $50 is the right amount, if they took 3% automaticly so that you got 970, wouldn't you throw in another $20 anyway? I mean it is just the right thing to do.

I'm not gonna reply other then to say my explanation had nothing to do with tipping

so what happens if a chop is taken for the last 10 players? Everyone gets $776, right? Everyone chips in $24 for the 3% tip, right?

If that's how they agree to do the chop, correct. Just further illustrates that the tip is taken from all the prizes, not just one of them. The prize pool is 7760 no matter how it's split up.

no

The $240 is gone from the prize pool before a card is even in the air.

The people at the final table can do whatever they want via chop for the remaining prize pool. The 3% is taken instantly

They don't owe any further dealer tip. Obv they can tip anything extra but that 3% has already been taken

However, all of this is wrong. 1 in 10 don't win 10x their buy in at the expense of the "non-guaranteed" spillover. All prize positions pay into the tip equally (in terms of money taken away not available to be won).

I think everyone is all set on The Borgata Survivor tip structure now.

but yes...1 in 10 are guaranteed 10X the buy in. I've also said in previous posts that no one position (payed of bubbled) is responsible for a 3% tip...all entrants are as the $ is taken off the top as soon as late reg is closed.

We are saying the same so let's stop posting it over and over

well, this is what it says on the B website;

"One in every ten players will win $1,000 in CASH. Residual cash will be paid to player who finishes next after all $1,000 Cash Prizes have been awarded."

My beef is this; If you have 100 people in the tourny there should be 10 people winning $1000 each before the 3% rule, now you get 9 winners plus one who gets $700 (that's 10000 - 3% = 9700) so the last guy gets to pay the whole tip, instead of ten winners each getting $970 each. That is only $30 each instead of $300 from one person, this is just the most clear example I can think of, when a regular tournys' prize pool is figured out, do they say screw the last place finisher, no they figure the amounts after 3% is taken out, therefore everyone pays thier share.

The 3% rule is only there because some people don't tip the dealers, and it really should be 5% (the correct amount to tip the dealers). I don't see a problem with a asterik saying "3% will be taken from each prize for dealer gratuity, as required by the CCC." As I said before most of us know and do tip more than 3%, now it just lets people walk away from the table without adding to the 3%. And one person paying 30%.

Good God, man, let it go already. Not sure why you're so passionate about this. If you have such beef with survivors, just don't play them, they make up such a tiny percentage of the tournaments offered.

Or play them and don't finish in the spillover spot.

/end rant

how many hours do you have to play to get a poker rate? and what is the poker rate for a saturday?

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS STUPID DISCUSSION!! IT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION that the person getting the "spillover money" is getting screwed!!

OH, so now they are advertising ALMOST 10%?? How gay....

Just take 3% from every play... and that is it... come on.... this should't even be a discussion... and forget about this chop BS.... It's not even officially legal in any AC casino, which is another BS issue.

Bottom line... 100 players... 10% are suppose to get paid. Number 10 gets the shaft!! Instead of advertising ALMOST 10%.... advertise minus 3% from all... THAT F'ing SIMPLE!!!

I HATE THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!

How is that person getting screwed??? You buy in hoping to finish in the top ten %. You finish on the 10% bubble and still get paid! What is wrong with this. The top 10 all get an equal share of 10x. The 3% should come from the spillover it makes perfect sense. You did not finish in top 10% you are not guaranteed ANY $...why is this an arguement???

You are going to knock somebody out because they asked you not to do something?

I'm missing where the disrespect from the dealer is. I see disrespect, but it is coming from the player.