im down for getting a 5-10 pink game going..
should we start a list right here to see where it stands?


and a buddy of mine said hes def down for a weekend game
so thats 2.

My suggestion would be to supplant the 3/6 game with either 6/12 or 8/16. Keep 2/4 for the table game widows and newbies. No need for 3/6 really.

5/10 with reds doesn't give the impression of an action game and pink chip games are confusing enough for a sufficient number of people to keep the game from running consistently.

Count me in for 5/10 LHE on any Saturdays starting February 6th.

Don't you want to give the impression of a game with lots of action? That's what everyone likes (fish and non fish) I thought?

I never really saw the reason for 2/4 and 3/6. I think 5/10 would be a good idea.

You can't kill the 2/4 & 3/6 games. They are the entry level stakes and if you don't spread these games in your house, customers will (most likely) go to another room that will spread them. Even if they don't defect, many of them will do something else, as they will NOT move up to 5/10 and higher.

There is the possibility that you could replace 3/6 with 4/8, but that would either be a great success, or a monumental failure. I suspect that latter, as it goes against the conventional AC structures. It would be like trying to kill off 4/8 in Vegas and replacing it with 3/6.

The customer base you are trying to affect are those people that feel that 3/6 is too small and that 10/20 is too big. Sure, you will have some people move up from 3/6 and perhaps even people that are failing at 10/20 will move down. But, it's the gap-players you are trying to attract. Sadly, as several of us have deduced (including Stan), a large part of this audience is now infatuated with 1/2NL. It's the $200-$300 buy in crowd. A niche that 1/2NL has all but cornered the market on.

One of things that could help would be the limits we are discussing here - 5/10 with pink. Killing the game (full or half) would stimulate action. Only Omaha is currently allowed to be killed. I guess it could be petitioned to include HE, though.

To get 6/12 to be a serious consideration, you would need $2 chips, which are currently not allowed in AC. Even if the Borg was successful in petitioning the CCC to allow them, the cost would be a risky investment. This would be my preferred choice; it's 2x the 3/6 limit, uses a 2chip/3chip blind and it might attract people who just can't handle a larger buy in for 10/20.

That said, the easy experiment is to see if 5/10 pink will fly. There would be no cost or issues with that. Stan, is it worth trying to take the lead with the CCC on a petition to add HE to the "kill allowed" list of games? That might even be interesting to float in some of the other limits.

Borgata has tried different things to get the 5/10 LHE going, but it doesn't seem to want to. If it even gets started, it soon breaks up. Most players are waiting for a 10/20 game to start. As soon as there is an opening, the players go to it, making it a short handed game, which no one seems to want. Maybe the pink chip might work. I would love to play 5/10. If I knew that it would go, I wouldn't miss it.

The PC 5/10 is an idea that could go places for the various reasons people have already provided. I'd like to add that avoiding the whole rack-swap delay of red/pink could improve the chance of success by a few percentage points. Maybe a PC table off in the corner somewhere? (Or even a short-term stint in the emptier part of the HL area )

Anyone suggesting a 6/12 game or getting rid of 2/4 should be censored from providing any more thoughts on this topic for severe lack of understanding of AC low limit history/dynamics.

Why would a 6/12 game suggest a lack of understanding of low-limit history? This game was very successful at Borgata from like 2003-2007. And it had the same 2 chip/4 chip structure that a pink chip 5/10 would have. Why would 5/10 be any more successful than 6/12?

Just to clarify I meant that I didn't understand the reason for 2/4 AND 3/6. You could probably have just one of those games (2/4 is probably) and that crowd would be happy. There just isn't that big of a difference between 2/4 and 3/6 to justify having both of them?

FWIW Foxwoods always has had a 2/4, 4/8, and 5/10 kill game, which seemed like a natural progression (basically doubling stakes). I just never understood the 2/4, 3/6, 10/20 jump. 6/12 was cool back in the day.

stan how long do those 11am tournaments typically last? How many players on average ? Is there any break time? If so, how long is it and when? Also how many breaks are there? I see you post at 8pm sometimes and see the tournament is still running.

The 6/12 had a decent run in it's day. Kind of like stud and draw poker. But how's it been doing since 07? Why did it disappear? That the history missing part I'm suggesting. And why would reintroducing it seem like anything but futile?

Why is it even described as a 2/4 chip game in this discussion when it doesn't play as one with AC's red and white chips? (and please, no one suggest creating a AC/Borgata $3 chip)

I don't know if a PC 5/10 would be a success but I do find the "half of 10/20" aspect and the PC 2/4 chip structure both factors that give it a slightly better shot than 6/12.

The 6/12 was awesome back in the day. Like Stan and others have said, the lower mid-limit games dried up because a large number of those players are at 1/2 now.

That said, regarding the chip structure, it was not truly 2/4 because most folks would come only with red, and a lot of time would be spent making change. You won't have that with a properly run pink-only game. That could certainly not hurt the game and give it a marginally better shot at having some success.

I like the idea of a 5/10 LHE game. I prefer limit, but have been frustrated since I want to play higher than 3/6 but can't find a game any more. I used to play 4/8 at Trop, but they have not been able to get that going for a long time. I would definitely move to 5/10, but have been very hesitant to move all the way up to 10/20. I feel that it may be too high for me, but am not sure. What do people normally buy into the 10/20 LHE game with? Depending on what is a reasonable buy-in, I might give it a try a few times, but I am not sure that I want to commit the $$ needed.

Any suggestion on moving up to 10/20 would be appreciated. I am a casual player and get to AC 5-6 times a year for two days each time. I am willing to invest $500-$600 playing LHE each trip, but I don't know if this is enough to give 10/20 a shot. Any advice is welcome.

Most people buy in for a rack of red chips ($500). It isn't the world's toughest game but dropping a rack in a session is pretty easy to do even if you are really good at poker.

I just started playing 10-20, although I am more comfortable at 5-10. Have always bought in at $500. Am fairly tight player with a low variance, so $500 is my downside limit. Many players at the Taj over their heads at 10-20, so the games can be good for my style and skill level. Have not ventured to Borgata and I am curious on skill level of their 10-20 games?

Stan,

For the upcoming table report page, can you also include an 11am update? 2pm is kinda late to post the first daily table report, esp for people who take the day off and are on the road by 11am.

The My Rewards section on the Borgata website is broken. When I click on "My Borgata Room Offer" it goes to a App error page. Anyone else see this?

As for a 5/10 PCG. Only the small blind puts in a pink chip. Everyone else uses red (right?). So why not just make the small blind $2 or $3? Then no pink chips to deal with.

Do you find the 6-max working well? On days when there are no free tables is it proper to lock out 4 seats at a table (or has it been a while since the room was full?)

I'd like to hear from anyone who has played the 102PL Omaha 8/b game. Has it run yet? Is it a better game than the 1-2PLO?

Ummm.. no, that's the point of it being a pink chip game - you use pinks.

Nitty and Grumpy.

Back in the day they were nice... now the only table thats worth sitting at is the must move table but the fish die quick and you get bumped up in queue to the main faster which is just a waste of time.

If your objective is to make money, play 2/5 or even 1/2 NL. If you just want to play LHE, then the borg game is fine, just don't expect to win much.

Was there Sat/Sun when I heard them call the 6-Max game and I was like 6-Max Live!? I gotta play.

Bought in for 1K and when I sat the game was 5-Handed. 2 guys were sitting with 300ish and I immediately tagged them as fish. The other 2 were younger guys sitting with 1kish so I figured they could be decent.

To verify my read I said

"Wow, never seen 6Max live, this is cool."

2 Short stacks didnt know wtf I was talking about.

But the 2 young guys knew exactly what I meant.

Within 15 minutes I stacked one of the shorties and the other one got stacked by one of the other internet players

I didn't want to play with those two so I just got up and left.

I went back to the table a few hours later and only played about 30 min before the fish were stacked and the table broke.

Pros:
Deep Stack
Easy to spot fish
Easy to tilt fish w/3bets
Easy Money

Cons
Game breaks so fast
Not many chances to really use your deep stack

The 6-max games should be plentiful during the Tournament.

Stan

So I'm planning on coming back down this weekend to play at the Borgata (best poker room LDO).

Anyway, I assume the room will be packed, but does this type of event bring more easy money or tougher players to tables like 1/2 NLHE?

The PLO-8 game ran late Sat night (after midnight so I guess that's Sunday Morning). The game was 1-2 PLO then switched to half PLO-8 and half PLO. I think it ran that way for about 4 or 5 hours. Maybe 2am - 7am. I was at the next table over playing 2-5 PLO and REALLY wanted to switch over to get in on the PLO-8 mix. I never did though. When the 2-5 PLO broke I moved to the 1-2 table and it was all high at that time.

I can't comment on how it played since I wasn't in it...

The 1-2 PLO high only was good Sunday afternoon. I was in that game.

Since the Winter tourney is staring like tomorrow - will they not have any of there ussal $340 $50K gaurentee tournies this weekend?

If not that blows....

Site says daily sched suspended till early Feb