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07-14-2015 , 01:20 PM

#4726

DesertCat

I am a Regulator

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,744

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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking

Where do you find cheaper poker room food?

The last 3 or 4 times I have had symptoms of food poisoning was after eating at CAZ so obviously price is not the biggest issue to me. But it's always confused me that they claim they don't make a money off the food service, but also won't let me bring in outside food that I know I can trust not to make me sick.

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07-14-2015 , 05:42 PM

#4727

UbinTook

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,745

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2plus2123

How can the lower limit players take so much moeny for bad beat, they are already holding over half a million of their money. Was told food comps come out of there. All promotions come out of it, and they keep 20% up front for adminastation costs.
getting tired have to hang up. Bye for now
Please add what I missed then you decide.
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100% un-true, I'm not sure where people get this information other than just speculation and rumor.
There never has been, nor will there ever be any type of administration cost for managing those funds.
100% of the PPF (Player Promotional Fund aka Jackpot fund) is returned back to the players in some form to INCLUDE interest earned while funds are held.

From:
https://gaming.az.gov/sites/default/...dixF2.2007.pdf
Section CC (5)
(page 21)

"All funds contributed by players into a jackpot promotional fund shall be returned to players on the happening of one or more predetermined events, which may or may not include the play of a hand, in accordance with the posted rules, except as provided by Compact Section 3(v)(2)(H). A player must be actively participating in live or tournament play at the time eligibility for an award from the jackpot promotional fund is determined. No commission or administrative fee shall be paid to the Gaming Facility Operator or others for administering a jackpot promotional fund. Any non-cash award shall be charged to the jackpot promotional fund at no greater than the actual cost of the award (as reasonably determined by the Gaming Facility Operator). In addition, the funds contributed to a jackpot promotional fund shall be accounted for separately. Any interest earned on a jackpot promotional fund balance shall be credited and posted to the jackpot promotional fund."

From:
https://gaming.az.gov/sites/default/...act.final_.pdf
Compact Section 3(v)(2)(H) refers a circumstance in which a payout will not be made:
The Tribal Gaming Office shall prohibit the Gaming Facility Operator from paying any hand-paid jackpot to a Person who is on the Tribal or State Gaming Agency self-exclusion list. Any jackpot won by a Person on the self-exclusion list shall be donated by the Gaming Facility Operator to an Arizona-based non-profit charitable organization."

All this information is public record and available through/at the state gaming department website.(as linked)

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07-14-2015 , 09:47 PM

#4728

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

The food tickets used to come out of the promo fund. Somebody (I assume the new manager) convinced upper management to instead credit all players 1$/hr on the player's card instead so that the non-rake game players aren't being fed by the JP drop the lower limits pay. That's a real improvement. But the chairs ARE horrible. I gave up bringing my expensive cushion bec I've lost two of them. C'mon management ppl: get some decent chairs, tia.

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07-14-2015 , 09:53 PM

#4729

jrr63

The Situation

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,465

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I take it you guys who complain about the TSR chairs have never played at the Rio during WSOP

And when I was in LV this year at Belllagio if you were in a must move game the chairs were pretty uncomfortable.

But having said all that TSR could do a lot better.

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07-14-2015 , 10:27 PM

#4730

DeadMoneyWalking

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 32,629

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesertCat

Oh yeah they might have a new man back there. Inspect your food folks, I've been served two undercooked eggs just in the month of July.

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07-15-2015 , 12:15 AM

#4731

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

I think the food's great and they are willing to customize it any way I want. I've never gotten sick from it but for those w/ sensitive digestive systems the toilet is very close.

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07-15-2015 , 01:27 AM

#4732

chillrob

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 23,172

So where is the new $1 per hour coming from? Sure it's not also from the promo fund?

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07-15-2015 , 01:52 AM

#4733

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

A senior room manager assured me in no uncertain terms that the money is NOT coming from the promo fund so that leaves CAZ paying it themselves just like the rooms in LV from where the new manager comes. Ubin Took knows the regulations so unless he says that there is some way that I could have been misled due to a technicality, which I find hard to believe, I trust it to be true.

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07-15-2015 , 03:22 AM

#4734

DesertCat

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Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,744

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I think the food's great and they are willing to customize it any way I want. I've never gotten sick from it but for those w/ sensitive digestive systems the toilet is very close.

I don't have a sensitive digestive system, and the last place I want to be is at a CAZ toilet when I'm bent over wishing I could die before the alien bursts from my intestines.

I've avoided a repeat by refusing to order from the old Asian waitress with the terrible hygiene, but it sucks when she's the one who always comes to my table and I just have to starve for hours.

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07-15-2015 , 01:32 PM

#4735

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

Order something from the nearby cafe/coffee shop?

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07-15-2015 , 01:39 PM

#4736

rzweig

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596

My 3/5 table hit the jackpot yesterday, the 2 players involved with the hand were friends and blatantly soft playing/colluding together. Guy with aces full checks the river and the guy with quad tens checks behind...

I'm happy to win the table share but REALLY? Was worried if they reviewed the tape and saw the hand go down they wouldn't pay us.

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07-15-2015 , 01:59 PM

#4737

jrr63

The Situation

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,465

Quote:

Originally Posted by rzweig

That is routine play in possible jackpot situations from what I've seen. You just need to have a minimum amount in the pot to qualify for it (not sure what that amount is at TSR).

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07-15-2015 , 02:00 PM

#4738

DesertCat

I am a Regulator

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,744

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Order something from the nearby cafe/coffee shop?

You mean get up and miss a round of play to order from their good but limited menu, then return play one round and miss another round to go back to pickup my food, then scrounge a dining table from somewhere? It was far better when they delivered to poker room.

Either way, why is this only poker room I can't bring a sandwich to?

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Originally Posted by rzweig

Standard and not a problem rules wise, CAZ wants players to chase jackpots.

And if you bet a jackpot hand expect to get berated. My first jackpot hand I folded JJ on river after AK raised/bet a xxAAA board, and I thought the table was going to lynch the player with AK.

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07-15-2015 , 02:15 PM

#4739

rzweig

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrr63

That is routine play in possible jackpot situations from what I've seen. You just need to have a minimum amount in the pot to qualify for it (not sure what that amount is at TSR).

Wasn't the case in this hand though, they had no idea there was a possible jackpot brewing. When the cards flipped over there was a good 15 seconds before someone said " hey isn't that a jackpot?". They were just soft playing each other because both thought they had the nuts.

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07-15-2015 , 02:44 PM

#4740

pig4bill

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Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 35,235

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

These are comps that can only be used for food? I never eat in the casino except when traveling, I can't be the only one.

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But the chairs ARE horrible. I gave up bringing my expensive cushion bec I've lost two of them. C'mon management ppl: get some decent chairs, tia.

Get a piece of string and a carabiner and clip the cushion to your belt like the slot players do with their player cards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rzweig

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrr63

That is routine play in possible jackpot situations from what I've seen. You just need to have a minimum amount in the pot to qualify for it (not sure what that amount is at TSR).

Yeah, I never do that in that situation. If he's got the makings of a boat I know he's not folding.

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07-15-2015 , 03:41 PM

#4741

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

@DC: And you call me a nit? How about a bowl of cashews, they can't screw that up. Or scrambled eggs? Bacon's pretty good but I don't like that they give so little and I have to get a double order.

@pig4bill: We can use the $1/hr for anything in the casino or get cash for it.

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07-15-2015 , 03:54 PM

#4742

jrr63

The Situation

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,465

Quote:

Originally Posted by pig4bill

Yeah, I never do that in that situation. If he's got the makings of a boat I know he's not folding.

I've only been part of a table share not an actual BB protagonist in live poker. Although did hit one online 10 years or so ago, and as I recall we got all the money in.

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07-15-2015 , 09:57 PM

#4743

DesertCat

I am a Regulator

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,744

Quote:

Originally Posted by rzweig

Or because they are friends. Soft play in live poker is just a fact of life, can't get upset about it.

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07-15-2015 , 11:28 PM

#4744

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

The soft play in the 6-12 0/E is so standard when HU between many of the players that I just have to accept it. At least they know I don't go along w/ that.

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07-16-2015 , 02:49 PM

#4745

2plus2123

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesertCat

Or because they are friends. Soft play in live poker is just a fact of life, can't get upset about it.

There are friends who soft play after they raise and you drop out. You feel like you been squeezed by friends who chop up your money later. Also not good they softplay in kill games. My opinion soft playing is very bad for game. Some tourists really feel uncomfortable and leave.

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07-16-2015 , 06:23 PM

#4746

DeadMoneyWalking

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Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 32,629

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2plus2123

Every room in Vegas had that and the tourists just keep coming back.

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07-16-2015 , 06:42 PM

#4747

chillrob

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 23,172

It might not be the same tourists...

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07-16-2015 , 11:45 PM

#4748

pig4bill

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 35,235

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Beale

@pig4bill: We can use the $1/hr for anything in the casino or get cash for it.

Cool, you can buy a new cushion!

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07-16-2015 , 11:50 PM

#4749

DesertCat

I am a Regulator

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,744

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2plus2123

It's not good, but it's unstoppable, it occurs in every room and it's practitioners are among your best customers.

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07-16-2015 , 11:58 PM

#4750

jrr63

The Situation

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,465

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesertCat

It's not good, but it's unstoppable, it occurs in every room and it's practitioners are among your best customers.

never a truer statement written.

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