Well I don't know how he was acting, but if he objected there shouldn't have been any discussion to listen to. It should have taken just a few seconds. One person asks "does anyone object to a chop?", he raises his hand, then it's back to the gane. Nothing to discuss.

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The nerve of somebody to enter a poker tournament and try to win it.

I guess I was a little out of line, but it was the opinion of the whole table at that point

I would probably act worse than he did if I ever got deep in one of those tournaments.

fyp

Alright I guess I am the douche...just figured after beating 373/383 other players I would like a guarantee of a little more than 4 times my entry when the M of the chip leader is less than 5-7 and it's keno game at that point....

Then talk to the tournament manager about flattening the pay schedule. Unlikely to work though; players are attracted to tourneys with an oversized first place prize, then when they get close they want to chop...

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Then ask CAZ to change the payout structure or don't enter it in the first place if you are relying on a chop.

I personally don't play the end of the month tourney because they don't have antes*. I don't enter it and then complain about there not being antes after the fact. That would be silly.



*There are likely more than one reason why I don't enter it. Keno tickets being another reason. But antes are high up on the list of reasons.

The guy probably thought he had a huge edge on at least 1-2 other players left in the tourney. A lot of times I'll completely oppose a chop when there's 7-15 players left, but when it gets down to 3-6 I'll happily chop because I feel like the players are decent enough where chopping makes more sense.

I've played these tourneys where at the final table you still have people limp/folding for 6bbs and folding to 3bb shoves. If I see someone doing that I'm not chopping until they are gone.

can someone break down exactly how the rake works (how much and when they take each dollar)

just a little curious. i was in vegas this past weekend and every pot i took, big or small, felt suprisingly big lol. (i think a lot of them took a max of 4 dollars + 1 for bbj?)

First dollar in the pot is dropped for the BBJ--even if the blinds chop. Two more are dropped when the pot reaches $10 and two more when it reaches $30 plus another dollar dropped into the BBJ.

I think those numbers are right. Bottom line $6 probably get taken out.

And don't forget to tip your dealer

if I ever played it I'd never chop. I laugh whenever players discuss chopping a tiny tourney with no money in it except for first place, trying to dilute even that down to nothing.

ah makes sense why some pots seem so short. basically for a 30 dollar pot, 6 dollars are removed?

so, in a head up pot, if you take it down, you profit 9 dollars?

Yup pretty standard these days. $6 for the house, $9 for you.

Oy. I've been here 6 months, and I just recently discovered that there is a separate sign-in area for the higher stakes games (a la Bellagio). I thought I was just running terrible on finding the higher games, while in reality, I ran terrible on common sense.

That said, it would have been nice if someone up front would have mentioned it any of the other times I asked if higher stakes games were running. I can't be the first person to fail to notice it.

When you swipe your card to sign up for games, which is how you should be signing up, there are two pages of lists in which you select the games you want to be listed for. I really doubt you went in frequently, asked for high stakes games when asked to be put on the list, and were neither told there were some going on or asked you to get a card.

i was there for the daily tourney today...about 120 runners. Was surprised to see the 75-150 mixed going at noon today. Lots of money on that table!

Apparently one of the guys that plays it puts In 250hrs of poker a month, so it's gotta go pretty early I guess.

He doesn't play 75/150 250 hrs a month, but I would bet he plays 40+ 200 hrs a month

Etiquette check: a dealer tonight had a problem with the way I raised. Everyone at the table seemed to understand the action. It looked like this motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB47NRDcdBc#t=62 (at 1:02)

This was the action during the hand at a 2/3 table (HU): player to my right checks, I bet $20, he raises to $47, I re-raise to $115, taking back my $20 bet and sliding out the raise in the same motion.

The dealer blatantly disrespected me and made a show of the whole thing, and I believe he may have affected the other player's decision.

1) Is this some kind of illegal bet motion that I'm unaware of?
2) If what I did is standard, is there any value in letting the floor know?

unless i'm misreading, totally ok
ive been playing poker for a long time and this has never not been ok

1. Totally fine to make that motion. Might be better to just say "raise" then make the switch, but either way it's a standard poker motion.
2. Probably not, floor doesn't really care about their ****ty dealers from my experience. I've had dealers at caz cost me pots more times than I can remember and the floor has never shown one ounce of empathy.

Quick q - anyone know how many the tourney today usually gets and what first pays? It's the 225 bounty.

The floor doesn't care about how you got unlucky or misplayed your hand.

The good floors care about dealer mistakes and ensuring they are corrected so dealers can improve, it's an important part if managing/training dealers. Whenever you are uncomfortable with a dealer decision, simply stand up and say "floor!" and make sure dealer stops action.

Oh yeah, I always swiped and saw the games, but a couple things went wrong.

1) For a long time, I thought that the number represented an interest list, not a wait list

2) Not knowing that the higher stakes games were in a separate area, I was never in said area when I got called.


The tone wasn't "They're doing it wrong!", it was "man, I can't believe I never noticed this!"

To address your skepticism though, I had gone in several times asking to be put on a wait list for those games, and was put on the list with no mention of the game currently going or anything mentioning a card. I wouldn't call it "frequently"...maybe 4 times. No matter, I understand how it works now!