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What exactly makes you think this? I just read another post of yours where you are now short buying cuz "you are running so bad"


Having a massive difference between your actual win rate and what you think you deserve to win is going to cause some serious mental game issues. I would advise sorting this stuff out

Just because the skill level of my opponents is roughly the same and my play is roughly the same. I established a winrate over 2 years of full-time playing. It was many years ago. Running bad and underbankrolled. If I were properly bankrolled, running bad would affect me less.

Thanks for your reply (and others that posted their stats). Those are exactly the type of responses I was hoping for......just looking for general ballpark numbers. I lean towards the nittier side as well.

A win rate that was many years ago might be not applicable. In the 2000s poker was hugely easier than it is today. Chris Moneymaker and TV made poker new and exciting and lots of new players were giving it a try.

Most of those folks have quit playing bc they lost so much money. In the 2000s, virtually every casino in Vegas had a poker room, now most don't bc there aren't enough players. I'm not saying the average 1/3 player is good, but the average 1/3 player is better than he was 15 years ago.

eh. i am/was properly rolled for my game. and the running bad still affects me terribly. I just hate losing. the thought of what i could do with the money ive lost kills me after the session (never during it tho oddly) would never be able to handle playing this game for a living despite being a winning player

I play $1-$2, $300 max buyin. I bring $900 with me to the casino. Got absolutely wrecked on Monday, lost my first two buyins. Got in a big hand where I called off a big bet on the river with QQ on a K773J board only to see my opponent floated the flop with 33 lol.

Anyway. That bad call left me with only $100 left. And I have GOT to learn to just leave at that point—there was literally no way I was NOT just gonna lose that last $100 very quickly. (Which is exactly what happened!)

Just venting. I’m still playing like I did when I was 19 or whatever, “I’ve gotta roll this $100 back up to $900 or I won’t be able to pay my rent!” lol

I learned a very valuable lesson early on in my 1/3 NL journey. I was bringing $1200 to my $300 max BI game, and in my worst ever session I dusted off my last two BIs extremely poorly to lose all $1200. After that I (a) began bringing $2000 to my game so that I would never feel my back was up against the wall in this regards (and I still do that to this day in spite of BIing for only $200 nowadays) and (b) I learned that I absolutely can't afford to tilt.

There's nothing wrong / -EV with sitting on a shortstack... but you must play it to the absolute best of your abilities. I'm pretty sure a decent percentage of my overall profits come from people just itching to punt their shortstacks after a rough go.

Ggoodluck!G

why did you switch to buying in $200 instead of $300?

Most of my poker method (table selection, seat selection, preflop method, etc.) is simply an attempt to get myself into as many situations as possible where I'm very comfortable / feel I have a very good handle on what to do (while avoiding the opposite). Sitting on a $200 stack at 1/3 NL allows me to easily setup comfortable stackoff commitment SPRs with TP type hands preflop, something that isn't as easy to do playing deeper. I also feel I don't have nearly the advantage over many of my opponents deep (where it isn't always completely obvious to me who is playing better/worse) as I do short (where it is completely obvious to me that I'm playing better than anyone else at the table at this stack size).

Gplaytoyourownwheelhouseandyou'lldofine,imoG

I’m thinking my lesson could be the opposite—that I should only bring $600 (2 buyins) to these games, so I CANT tilt-lose any more than that.

The counter is that my single best session ever is one where I did buy in $900 deep—and in fact rivered a flush to stay alive on that—but rolled it all the way back up to $2100, although there were….extenuating circumstances:

I triple up As6s, $all in on a 5s4s2x flop (hit flush on River, no idea what opponents have), $700 pot
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Next hand I have AA in straddle. Maniac raises to 22 on Button I make it 122 he calls. Flop 2s3c5c. All the money goes in, he has 8s4s, turn T, River 4, I win something like a 1100 pot.
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Get AQ vs Maniac. I raise to $10 in EP, he makes it 110 in BB, I make it 210, he calls. Flop Ax4x2x. He bets $100 I call. Turn Jx. He bets $100 I raise to $200, he calls all-in for $140. River 9, he mucks w/o showing, I win $900 pot.
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Next hand get QQ against Maniac, we go AIPF, he has A9 but I hold in $340 pot.
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AA beat 85o AIPF, $240 pot (vs Maniac)



EDIT: I should add that I had LOST my second buyin to the Maniac on THIS hand:

Raise pre to 16 with QQ after 2 limpers. 6 ways to flop of T85. All money goes in, I lose $1,000 pot to T5 (BB led out for $40, Maniac in CO called, I made it 140, BB called, Maniac made it 240, I made it 340, BB folded, Maniac went all in for 410)

Agree

Yup, that's fair enough. Really depends on how you mentally handle being on your last BI with your stack dwindling and no more money in your pocket. If it doesn't bother you at all and you're playing solid poker, then fine. Me, I found it a distracting concern, so I eliminated it.

Gdowhateverworksforyou,imoG

I'm with GG on the bankroll I bring to the game. I bring roughly 3 buy ins and if I ever get more than about 25% down on the last buy in, I pack it up. It messes with my head to play on a semi short stack and I don't have any back up cash.

I only brought $600 today, and lost $450 (thanks to running a staggering -$670 in AIEV), but rather than tilt off anything else I just racked up and left! It worked!

When i first started out playing live, i had a stoploss of 3 buyins. As i have developed both my actual pokergame and my mental game over the past 10 years or so, i have in recent years operated with no stoploss at all. I found that i play alot better with an easier mind if i know i can always reload and keep playing if the game is good and i am playing good poker with solid decisions. It makes me much more relaxed plus ready to attack every spot i get that i know i can reload if the fish gets lucky against me in a big pot.

That doesent mean that i always keep playing every game and never quits, but whether i quit or not is not attached to the amount of buyins i am up or down. There is nights when i can play my A-game after 8 hours and losing 6-7 buyins, and there is nights where i can lose 2 buyins and i cant take it anymore. It all depends where i am mentally,wich ive become pretty good to gauge where i am.

On Tuesday I brought just my $600 in cash—my new “stoploss”—and, sure enough, lost it in about 3 hours. (My favorite hand by far was an UTG limper cold-calling my $42 3-bet with Q4s, and then getting paid off by my JJ on a Q6662 runout lol.)

….then instead of going home I went to the ATM and withdrew another $300 and, promptly enough, pissed it all away in about 15 minutes.

Damn tilt!!! I wish I hadn’t left any money on that card, there’s no way I was gonna win anything that day, I was so pissed I couldn’t see straight!

(To rub it in, I made $780 at today’s session, so would be UP on the week if I hadn’t done that stupid third rebuy.)

it is possible to be a winning poker player while playing your A game, but be a losing player in the game because of tilt reasons. You may need a break and re-evaluate whether this is a good way for you to be spending your time and money.

Like, the way you talk about this makes it clear to me that you either need to do a LOT of work on your mental game

IIRC, davo is playing an extremely high variance run-the-table over style which seems to be crushing (in spite of playing in a maximum bet game, where you'd think FE would be very limited)... but over a very small sample. Only a significant sample will tell whether that style is actually winning at all in his game (especially once others catch on to what he's doing).

Gbutlegithopehe'sstillaroundinanotherfewKhourstole tusknowhowthingsaregoing!G

Still salvaged a winning session out of the week, but yeah, I’ve gotta limit my buyins

Why would you even post this after Davo posted a 70 hour sample? You can read his latest posts and realize that he isn't crushing crap. He's obviously playing terrible at times and your little pat on the butt can only be detrimental to his growth.

Of course, this is the winrates thread so everyone is crushing. Carry on.

Anyone play a lot of 1/2 or 1/3 in different games and have a general ideal of a winrate that can be expected at this stake for full ring? Also is 20 buy-ins sufficient for 1/2 and 1/3?

20 buyins is more than enough. If you lose 20 buyins you will lose 20 more. And 20 more after that.

How many buy-ins would you recommend for a "starting" bankroll at 1/3 and 1/2 live full ring?

I started with just 10 buy-ins and am still playing off the first one. The trick is to just run really really really good for your first few sessions.

Buy ins needed is a function of how skilled you are. Since no one has any knowledge of your skill level it is unpossible to say how many you will need. For example if you are a losing player you need infinity buy ins.

THese days w/rs are all over the map due to different structures of games. there are some rooms that are match the biggest stack with straddles that are multiple x of the bb. So games can play really big and w/rs are astronomical.

But for a 100bb no limit game a w/r of 10bb/hr is considered top shelf stuff