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Old 02-23-2016, 11:34 PM   #13576
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Do you think in part this is because ppl good enough to beat the game for this win rate move up before the 1000 hour mark typically? Or is it just that impossible to do?
That's one of the major reasons but I dont think more than 5% of all players can beat 1/2 or 2/5 for more than 10BBs/hr.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:51 PM   #13577
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It's definitely possible. I was at $36/hour over 400 hours or so before moving up to 2/5. I play in a room that is $300 max and ample table selection so the results probably don't apply to most markets.

I actually set a goal to beat 1/2 for $60/hour in 2016 but sadly I've only played two sessions this year.
$60/h! That would be some kind of world record. Damn. 36/h tho is impressive. I play in similar conditions. $300 max and lots lot tables to choose from. There are likely 20 tables I could sit at within a 30 minute drive on this Tuesday night.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:00 AM   #13578
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I wouldn't be surprised if 60 per was achieveable at 1/2 but putting in the hours to do it would make me cry. Once you break 10 dollars an hour at 1/2 for 200 hours I think you should at minimum be shot taking.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:12 AM   #13579
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It's definitely possible. I was at $36/hour over 400 hours or so before moving up to 2/5. I play in a room that is $300 max and ample table selection so the results probably don't apply to most markets.

I actually set a goal to beat 1/2 for $60/hour in 2016 but sadly I've only played two sessions this year.

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Old 02-24-2016, 12:52 AM   #13580
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LOL, every time I read in this thread of things that people are awing of, I giggle a bit.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:32 PM   #13581
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I was having a little back and forth in another thread and was very surprised to hear from an experienced 2plus2 member that a sustained $25-$30/h win rate over a 500-1000 hour sample at 1/2 was next to impossible.

I'm sure the info is buried in here somewhere, but there must be some of you 1/2 veterans out there that have accumulated these stats. Can anyone confirm?
It's possible. I will admit my sample is a bit small because I moved up as soon as I could but I was making $33 per hour over about a 300 hour sample. This was with zero table selection and playing every day of the week. I also play in Oklahoma casinos though where the player pool is super weak.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:35 PM   #13582
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I was having a little back and forth in another thread and was very surprised to hear from an experienced 2plus2 member that a sustained $25-$30/h win rate over a 500-1000 hour sample at 1/2 was next to impossible.

I'm sure the info is buried in here somewhere, but there must be some of you 1/2 veterans out there that have accumulated these stats. Can anyone confirm?
Not saying it's impossible, but there are more 1/2 games in the country where it isn't achievable than games where it is. Even more difficult is finding one of those rooms where it's achievable at a full-time volume.

$60/hour is effectively impossible.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:47 PM   #13583
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I was at $36/hour over 400 hours or so before moving up to 2/5. I play in a room that is $300 max and ample table selection so the results probably don't apply to most markets.
Impressive results, and sounds like good BI / table selection conditions.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure if I compared my best 400 hour stretch versus my worst 400 stretch, you wouldn't think you were comparing rates of the same player.

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Old 02-24-2016, 01:11 PM   #13584
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Having said that, I'm pretty sure if I compared my best 400 hour stretch versus my worst 400 stretch, you wouldn't think you were comparing rates of the same player.
I would expect that you are effectively a different player between 2 different 400 hour stretches.

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Old 02-24-2016, 01:15 PM   #13585
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I would expect that you are effectively a different player between 2 different 400 hour stretches.

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I probably haven't evolved (or devolved as some would argue) too much, but there is some truth to that. My guess is that game I play in during those stretches has probably changed a lot more than my style.

But still, I'm guessing still fairly drastic differences in WR (although I honestly haven't computed my worse vs best 400 hr stretch so I can't say for absolute certain).

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Old 02-24-2016, 01:52 PM   #13586
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You'll be surprised how untrue that is.

We would all like to believe that after we spend 400 hours doing something, we are much better, but for most players to win after 400 hours, they probably have already peaked by 100th hour in terms of skill.

Just look around at some of the posters in this forum, most of them are just spinning in circles.
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Old 02-24-2016, 01:57 PM   #13587
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You'll be surprised how untrue that is.

We would all like to believe that after we spend 400 hours doing something, we are much better, but for most players to win after 400 hours, they probably have already peaked by 100th hour in terms of skill.

Just look around at some of the posters in this forum, most of them are just spinning in circles.

Utalking abt me bruh?
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:03 PM   #13588
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You're still wandering, wouldn't call it a circle!
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:21 PM   #13589
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Is not playing for months count as circles?
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:22 PM   #13590
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You'll be surprised how untrue that is.

We would all like to believe that after we spend 400 hours doing something, we are much better, but for most players to win after 400 hours, they probably have already peaked by 100th hour in terms of skill.

Just look around at some of the posters in this forum, most of them are just spinning in circles.

I think this is very true. The only times of rapid progression and improvement is when circumstances around us have changed significantly. Such situations as
- learning new game
- moving up
.. compounded with getting your teeth kicked in.


Otherwise, poker players don't really make progress if they are in a comfortable familiar game winning more than zero.

(hell - they may even regress a bit)

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Old 02-24-2016, 02:22 PM   #13591
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I think your trolling has improved drastically Slim, you should give yourself a pat on the back.
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:33 PM   #13592
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:42 PM   #13593
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The more hours I put in, the funnier the "I did this in 300 hours" poast boasts get.
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:49 PM   #13594
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I have been spinning in circles the last 2000 hours or so.

Luckily I was pretty good before then.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:11 PM   #13595
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The more hours I put in, the funnier the "I did this in 300 hours" poast boasts get.
Right? I just looked at my 2014 results in 300 and 400 hour chunks. Pretty drastic differences. Even in 500 hour chunks they were pretty different. Granted, I was a much better player by the end of the year because it was the first year I actually took poker seriously and put in volume, but I was a winner in every segment, just by totally different amounts.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:51 PM   #13596
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Here are some chunks from the last two years.

2014:
Total: $10,989/599.8 = $18.32/hr
1st Half: $3,758/243.6 = $15.43/hr
2nd half: $7,231/356.2 = $20.30/hr

2015:
Total: $1,096/548.6 = $2.0/hr
1st Half: -$1,468/270.9 = -$5.42/hr
2nd Half: $2,564/277.7 = $9.23/hr


There's a smattering of PLO in there that throws things off, particularly for 2015, but I can't filter it quickly here.

The game conditions were a bit better in 2014 than 2015, and I lost more playing PLO in 2015, but there's a 600 hour sample of $18/hr.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:52 PM   #13597
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It's definitely possible. I was at $36/hour over 400 hours or so before moving up to 2/5. I play in a room that is $300 max and ample table selection so the results probably don't apply to most markets.

I actually set a goal to beat 1/2 for $60/hour in 2016 but sadly I've only played two sessions this year.
Why waste your time with the short stack, hit and run nits? Yes 1-2 is a 300 max but many players are not buying in for the max. Even at Parx. The crappy players buy in for near minimum and if they god, forbid, actually luck out and double up, they don't stay and gamble it away. IMO there are way more degens playing 2-5 at Parx than there are at 1-2.

Besides, 2-5 is so soft I could never imagine playing any lower. If you try this goal you will be costing yourself money.

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Old 02-24-2016, 04:50 PM   #13598
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He already said he moved on.

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Old 02-24-2016, 05:03 PM   #13599
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He set a goal to beat 1/2 at $60 hr in 2016. He would have to explain why he thinks that is remotely possible or why he would even bother to attempt this. If he thought that was possible to beat 1-2 at $60 an hour than he must think that there is a chance that playing 1-2 could be making him more money than 2-5.
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:07 PM   #13600
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>He set a goal to beat 1/2 at $60 hr in 2016

That's easy. Play two good sessions of stack-a-donk in January, quit for the year.
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