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11-23-2017 , 03:33 PM
Make it 80 and shove a non-Ace-high flop.
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11-23-2017 , 03:42 PM
Make it 125$ and shove all flops.
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11-24-2017 , 12:41 AM
Results:

Spoiler:
Hero makes it $150 with the intent of taking it down and effectively shoving the drunk fish. Folds to BB, who tanks for a few seconds. I offer to show him a card and flip over an ace. He shoves for $150 and his remaining $70 anyway.

In retrospect sizing probably a little too big and $125 would have accomplished the same thing. Guess I was a bit too scared and didn't want anyone except the drunk fish to come along. Next time I'll try sizing down to ~85-90


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Flatting is kinda tempting because it would be awesome for MP to reopen the betting for us. The problem is that he's facing a minraise out of the blinds, so my guess is he only reopens the betting if he has a monster.
Do you mean reopen the betting on the flop?
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11-24-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Do you mean reopen the betting on the flop?
No I mean flatting the drunk 3bet preflop and then hoping the original raiser 4bets for us, in which case we'll probably be able to get all of their stacks in preflop (a very profitable result). But flatting is just too risky as often the other two will just flat themselves for far too cheap (and we end up not really getting in as much as we'd like preflop especially when we won't be able to fold postflop). If we knew that the original raiser would 4bet like 100% of the time if we flatted then flatting would be best, imo, but we of course can't know that.

Your result is still very good as we got the drunk to put in his whole stack preflop. Ha, showing the one A is an interesting angle (I'm assuming an attempt at a reverse tell to indicate you'd like him to think you're pretending to have AA when you only have Ax), although I doubt a drunk is going to be able to make heads or tails of that anyways.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-03-2017 , 02:22 AM
1/2. Utg+2 40 year old black lady, plays on the tighter side. Has made a couple moves and shown down some bluff raises. CO is on the looser sides, plays his draws but also knows when to give up. Hero on button, on the tighter side and can find the fold button.

Utg+2 (500)
CO (250)
BTN Hero (400)

Utg +2 and CO limp, hero raises to 17 AhAd, both call.

Pot (44) flop: Qc 7h 4h
Utg+2 leads out for 25. CO calls. Hero raises to 100. UTG+2 goes all in, CO folds. Hero??

I feel like if I hadn't seen her make a couple bluff raises earlier in the session this would be a snap fold. She doesn't raise many hands pf but has no problem limp calling.
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12-03-2017 , 09:35 AM
Tough spot. Do you remember how the bluff raises went at all?
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12-03-2017 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by foldandclose
1/2. Utg+2 40 year old black lady, plays on the tighter side. Has made a couple moves and shown down some bluff raises. CO is on the looser sides, plays his draws but also knows when to give up. Hero on button, on the tighter side and can find the fold button.

Utg+2 (500)
CO (250)
BTN Hero (400)

Utg +2 and CO limp, hero raises to 17 AhAd, both call.

Pot (44) flop: Qc 7h 4h
Utg+2 leads out for 25. CO calls. Hero raises to 100. UTG+2 goes all in, CO folds. Hero??

I feel like if I hadn't seen her make a couple bluff raises earlier in the session this would be a snap fold. She doesn't raise many hands pf but has no problem limp calling.
Well, I assume we can expect V to show up with QQ zero % of the time. I assume she o/r pre with KQ.
What about QJ, QT, Q9, Q8? 65

Why would she shove with a set? Does she really have that much of a bluffy image, that she would expect someone to call often enough vs her set?

It's only a worth a call if you think she never shoves with a set of 7s,4s. Assuming she never shoves with 65s & KQs, in a suit other than s
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12-03-2017 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Tough spot. Do you remember how the bluff raises went at all?
Not entirely, I believe she flopped second pair and a flush draw, put the raise in on the river to a guy that was on pretty nitty which I believe I am perceived as
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12-03-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Well, I assume we can expect V to show up with QQ zero % of the time. I assume she o/r pre with KQ.
What about QJ, QT, Q9, Q8? 65

Why would she shove with a set? Does she really have that much of a bluffy image, that she would expect someone to call often enough vs her set?

It's only a worth a call if you think she never shoves with a set of 7s,4s. Assuming she never shoves with 65s & KQs, in a suit other than s
I dont believe she opens with any other Qhxh other than KhQh. I think it is more of that she thinks she can push ME off the hand
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12-03-2017 , 08:08 PM
Another Pocket Aces hand.

V is decent player, not too loose or tight. Giving him a range of AKs, JJ-KK here when he flats the 3!, maybe AQs since he's in position.

3! pre to 80, 1 caller, we are OOP relative to them.

Eff stacks ~$500

Flop is 9 T 7 (we hold the Ac). Pot size ~$175

Bet sizing here? How much to price out any draws? Do we go for 1 more street or value or jam?
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12-03-2017 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by foldandclose
Not entirely, I believe she flopped second pair and a flush draw, put the raise in on the river to a guy that was on pretty nitty which I believe I am perceived as
I mean the difference is you're showing strength here, I don't think she'd try to push someone off a pretty obvious overpair, so I'm folding I guess. Not very happy about it though.
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12-03-2017 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Another Pocket Aces hand.

V is decent player, not too loose or tight. Giving him a range of AKs, JJ-KK here when he flats the 3!, maybe AQs since he's in position.

3! pre to 80, 1 caller, we are OOP relative to them.

Eff stacks ~$500

Flop is 9 T 7 (we hold the Ac). Pot size ~$175

Bet sizing here? How much to price out any draws? Do we go for 1 more street or value or jam?
Bet 100, sets up jam 320 into 360 OTT.
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12-03-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I mean the difference is you're showing strength here, I don't think she'd try to push someone off a pretty obvious overpair, so I'm folding I guess. Not very happy about it though.
Gut told me to fold but I just threw the call in. Qd4d for two pair which was good
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12-03-2017 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Bet 100, sets up jam 320 into 360 OTT.
Thank you. Are there any turn cards where we think before jamming?

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I bet $110. Turn was a Qs and I jammed
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12-03-2017 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Another Pocket Aces hand.

V is decent player, not too loose or tight. Giving him a range of AKs, JJ-KK here when he flats the 3!, maybe AQs since he's in position.

3! pre to 80, 1 caller, we are OOP relative to them.

Eff stacks ~$500

Flop is 9 T 7 (we hold the Ac). Pot size ~$175

Bet sizing here? How much to price out any draws? Do we go for 1 more street or value or jam?
Way too many details are missing. What is your position and villain's position? Who opened the pot, for how much and were there any cold callers, and what were their positions?

If we take your word for it that that is his range then do what ChrisV said. I would guess that he probably has TT-77 in his range as well as some stuff like T9s/98s and you should probably be checking this flop.
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12-03-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Way too many details are missing. What is your position and villain's position?
I mentioned position in the post. Once all the others folded, their positions become irrelevant. This is LLSNL, so 3! polarizes the range to what I outlined.

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Who opened the pot, for how much and were there any cold callers, and what were their positions?
None of this should influence our decision to sway it to a check. It might have been a few limpers to V who opened to ~25. Or it might have been some tourist popping it to some lol sizing of $8 and 1 more caller before V made it 25. I guess technically that would make my bet a 4!, but for the context of the hand and post-flop action it really is irrelevant.

I don't remember it down to a T, but I believe my $80 bet went into a pot of about $42. Doubling pot is pretty standard for my games with premium holdings.
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12-03-2017 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Thank you. Are there any turn cards where we think before jamming?

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I bet $110. Turn was a Qs and I jammed
An offsuit 8 would be really gross, not sure what to do there. Offsuit J would suck but I just jam still. Everything else not a problem.
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12-04-2017 , 11:36 AM
Villain has been very active, in most pots, very fishy. Overvalues top pair. Is in almost pot and betting a lot but have not seen him 3 bet.

Hero has been winning pots without show down, 30s male with glasses

$2/$3
Hero opens CO for $15 with KQ

Villain in SB 3 bets to $40

Everyone else folds. Hero calls.

Flop is QJ4 ($83)

SB bets $58, Hero calls




Is this a fold pre?? I got position and want to play pots with this guy and its a tiny 3-bet but he is probably way ahead of KQ with his range.
Flop is a call right??
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12-04-2017 , 01:57 PM
Yeah, I'm just dumping KQo to a 3bet, I doubt our position is going to make up for the range we're typically up against (even though we're in a weird shania spot of LP open by us who is winning lots of pots without showdown). But is this guy really taking advantage of this spot enough and playing back at us? Likely not.

Postflop against a "normalish" 3betting range we're ahead of just AK and TT. Not really sure if that's enough to continue against or not; are they really continuing with those against a raise/caller on this board?

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12-04-2017 , 02:45 PM
unless he's a total maniac, the 3b from the SB indicates tons of strength. I'll dump KQo and call suited KQ provided the stacks are deep enough.
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12-04-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
Villain has been very active, in most pots, very fishy. Overvalues top pair. Is in almost pot and betting a lot but have not seen him 3 bet.

Hero has been winning pots without show down, 30s male with glasses

$2/$3
Hero opens CO for $15 with KQ

Villain in SB 3 bets to $40

Everyone else folds. Hero calls.

Flop is QJ4 ($83)

SB bets $58, Hero calls




Is this a fold pre?? I got position and want to play pots with this guy and its a tiny 3-bet but he is probably way ahead of KQ with his range.
Flop is a call right??
Is there no rake in your game? I'd estimate the pot to be ~$78. Shtack sizes would be nice as well.

To make the pf call profitable in raw equity, V's range should be as wide as the following:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
Hero 32.41% 30.75% 1.66% { KQo }
V 67.59% 65.94% 1.66% { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+ }

I'd continue w/ KQo vs a thinking player who realizes a CO open is wide and prone to restealing. I might continue sometimes vs a nit who makes many overfolding errors post flop if we we're deep enough. Based on the V description, seems like we'll be stuck with a sticky, possibly aggro villain, so in this spot I'd let the K-high go.

Yes... the flop is a call. If we're planning on folding TP, then that's even more reason to not play pre.
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12-04-2017 , 06:25 PM
Would you jam AKo over a 2.5x 4bet from the following player:

Bad reg; young college kid failing all his classes; raises fairly wide pre for 25 in this 2/4 game; has 3bet 6-7 times in the two hours I have been playing, but I'm pretty sure he isn't super aggressive pre.

V is in mp and hero is SB; stacks are 125BB and the betting goes 25->100->250->???

I think it would be okay except the 4bet seems unbalanced and weighted towards the hands I don't want him to have.

Last edited by Rhombo; 12-04-2017 at 06:40 PM.
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12-04-2017 , 07:05 PM
I'm having trouble reconciling "he isn't super aggresive pre" with the fact that he's 3betting once an orbit (which is bordering on maniacal), no?

Based on simply the fact that (a) he just 4bet in live pokrs and (b) he's put in half his stack, I think there's a pretty decent chance he has what you don't want him to have. But also comes down to our image and also his image to some extent.

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12-04-2017 , 08:26 PM
Those two things were bothering me, but I figured to be ahead of his stack-off range quite a bit, and I also can never know his 4betting range because it's hard to get to a 4bet in these games anyway. Apparently though, 4betting ranges are way tighter than 5betting ranges in LLSNL, since I've stacked off against AQ, AJ and some unknown trash to a 5bet. If I'd thought of it that way I guess I could've folded. The one other time I've ever 5bet with AK I ran into AA.
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12-04-2017 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhombo
Would you jam AKo over a 2.5x 4bet from the following player:

Bad reg; young college kid failing all his classes; raises fairly wide pre for 25 in this 2/4 game; has 3bet 6-7 times in the two hours I have been playing, but I'm pretty sure he isn't super aggressive pre.

V is in mp and hero is SB; stacks are 125BB and the betting goes 25->100->250->???

I think it would be okay except the 4bet seems unbalanced and weighted towards the hands I don't want him to have.
He put half his stack in, so we can assume a call every time he jams. If V's range is AK/JJ+ or wider, we make $.

I think these resources can help you:

https://redchippoker.com/free-poker-ev-spreadsheet/

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