If your going to bet/fold why not just check behind. I don't like a b/f line here in position.

I like the b/f as Hero can get value from AA, KK, KQ, etc. and that is what his 1/3 PSB is trying to get a crying call from.

A quickie

Hero raises utg with AKdd to 20 and gets called by 1 IP and both the blinds

Flop (80): Q Td 5 r
Checks around - c/c spot for me with gutshot + bdfd

Turn (80): A r
Checks around - could bet but my hand isn't great and there are few bad cards

River (80): Ks
SB leads 50 everyone folds

I figured it's too likely for someone to have a J with no action 4 ways, but I feel really weird about it now. Like AK would be the hand to call with if I'm not 100% folding everything but a J.

Just sat down. All I know about SB is that he raised AJ in the blinds and way overplayed it on a KJT flop


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Call river, imo. V has shown a willingness to overplay hands and you're way under-repped. Sure he often has a J, but at least 1/3 of the time he has a worse 2p, or even TPNK.

I'm betting the flop because I have solid equity and I think I can make better hands fold - namely tens. Might require a couple barrels.

Turn check seems suboptimal, there's plenty you could get value from and you can deny them equity enroute. K or J river could kill your action as well.

River is a very easy fold. No way SB can bluff into 3 players in this spot.

Most of the hands you suggest he has are rendered very unlikely by the turn check. This guy probably leads with an ace there and definitely leads with two pair. Rivered two pairs are limited to K5, KT, KQ, and KQ is required to have checked the flop (likely but not certain). That's not many hands and that's only if you buy that SB leads into three players with a bad two pair here. I don't buy that at all, in fact I think SBs range is literally 100% jacks. He can't have a bluff range for $50 here, because the chance of an opponent having the nuts is far too high.

River sizing is suspiciously large, but this is usually Jx, plus we have a player behind. Fold river.

I can get behind betting KJs on this flop but not AK that has more sdv and less robust equity. People have a really hard time folding in my games

Turn is meh. I guess I never want this hand to go 2 streets but there's only one guy behind


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I like how you played it if you were first to act 4-way. Second-to-last-to-act, betting flop is more viable because we're likely checking a lot of our other AK anyway. Checking's obviously fine too.

Turn definitely seems like a bet with only one player left to act behind you.

River is a fold. There's no reason to expand your calling range beyond Jx. There are four players, all with super wide ranges, all you need is an unblocked J to call.

pre: good
flop: gonna cbet the AK bdfd combos
turn: i do like checking in some spots like this but betting this hand for value w/ our relative position
river: obv fold

Yeah, I take it back on my call river thought. For some reason I thought we were HU on the river. That bet in to 3 others is not a bluff or an overvalue often at all.

I agree with the c-bet OTF. Our gutter, overs, and running flush give us a good equity boost. I'll add that UTG c-bets tend to get through more than you'd expect, especially against players that recognize position since your perceived (&hopefully actual)range is @ its snuggest. Might not apply to this particular table, but something to be aware of when factoring in table dynamics.

+1 for turn v-bet and river fold.

Hero is on button with ~ $450 and holding red 44. Mississippi straddle is on.

Older fishy guy (covers Hero) limps SB. HJ (covers Hero) limps. CO ($300) raises to $20, this is his first orbit. Hero calls, SB calls, HJ calls.

4 way to flop ($80): Q 7 4

SB donks out $40, HJ calls. CO announces raise, after 15 secs of thought makes it $80. Hero....jams, right?

Yeah, readless I think I'm cool with the hand.

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Yeah. Top two can flat here and wait to GII on a safe turn, but the problem with bottom set here is that you're committed even on the 8c so seeing a turn does your opponents more good than it does you. Not super pleasant because you're not really ever coolering anyone here. Mostly hoping for all folds or SB/HJ call and the board blanks out.

Looking for some opinions on a hand I played the other day. Feel free to critique any part of my play, but I am mostly looking for advice on what to do following the turn. I'm a learning player who is trying to improve my value in spots where I have monsters.

Villain is a loose player who is a bit spewy post flop with calls. Hasn't shown much aggression in taking the lead. I am seen as a very tight player. Have been card dead most of the session so no real aggression demonstrated myself.


1/2 NL Live
9 Players
Hero: SB ($250)
Villain: UTG+1 ($350)
---
Dealt to Hero: [JJ]
Villain raises to $10
Hero calls $10
--- Dealing flop [2 6 10 rainbow]
Hero checks dark
Villain bets $15
Hero raises to $50
Villain calls $35
--- Dealing turn [J]
Hero checks
Villain bets $50

Some reasoning of mine:
I don't feel great playing big pots with Jacks OOP, so no 3-bet pre. I was happy to take it down on the flop so I made a sizable raise and thought my image would be good enough there. His call surprised me a bit and seemed too much to be overcard spew. These 1/2 tables don't typically have big post-flop raises so >3x usually would be respected. His turn bet had me thinking overpair.



Thanks in advance for any replies.

Flat and evaluate river. The only card we don't like is a 7.

On river, leading out for value seems good here based your description of V, with a weak-ish 1/3 pot size bet. It's unlikely he'll call more or at all without improving, so we're hoping he gets his ace or whatever overcard.

If v is loose with preflop raises you should threebet.

Checking dark is pointless, you're just giving villain the information that you always check.

Flop checkraise is bad because it overplays your hand. Are you going to feel good about your spot when called? I sure wouldn't. Betting simply for equity denial (that is, betting or raising when you're winning with the intention of making your opponent fold) is virtually always bad poker in a heads up pot.

Having got the checkraise through OTF, just bet like halfpot on the turn. There's 120 in the pot and 190 effective stacks, so you can comfortably get allin betting two streets. Checking just gives him an opportunity to check behind, then you can't get his stack. Or he may get away from his hand vs the second checkraise, as actually happened.

3 bet pre to 36-38. You’re going to win the hand and more chips a load more often this way

As played check raise is fine, but lead turn

Hero should have no c/r range on T62r. Pretty much every street is butchered here. 3bet pre, c/c flop. AP just bet the damn turn. He's going to call a turn lead with QQ-AA but your double c/r nonsense screams monster.

I hate the whole hand.

You don't want to play a big pot but you ck/rs the flop?

Turn you ck/rs a second time just to be sure you blow him off his O.O.

Don't like it.

Obv Overpair?

Auto correct fail.

But yes. Overpair.

Inspired by all the limping threads lately.

Hero is UTG and has AA

Hero limps (this is up for discussion too, but just for reference, I will only limp monsters in UTG and UTG+1, and only at active tables, where the chance that 1 of the other 8/9 opens is like 95%+)

UTG+1 limps -

MP ($300) opens to $20 - On the tight/passive side, hasn't shown down anything, no good read.

MP+1(~$250) flats - A little tight, but no good reads otherwise

Folds to BB (~$220) who makes it $40 - Thanksgiving fish, escaping from his family to gambool at the tables.

Hero covers all. Pot is $86

What do we make it?

After the hand played out, the reg at the table said I lost value by not flatting, so I'd like to hear arguments specifically for flatting in this position.

Personally I don't ever see myself flatting here, as my goal with AA usually is to induce a shove preflop or go HU on the flop and evaluate from there.

A man after my own heart.

At tables like these, anything other than limp/reraising is really poor, imo. But you'll get very polarizing opinions on this.

Flatting is kinda tempting because it would be awesome for MP to reopen the betting for us. The problem is that he's facing a minraise out of the blinds, so my guess is he only reopens the betting if he has a monster. So not worth the risk, imo.

I basically like offering poor setmining odds around 8:1 in this spot (especially since we'll never be able to fold postflop). Given the dead money, against the bigger stack we're kinda sitting close to $400, so popping it about $50 more over MP's original $20 would be fine against him. But facing the $40 raise and the $220 stack, we'd probably like to pop it to $40 more over that to prevent setmining odds. Overall, I think I'd go about $80, which might still get MP involved.

Another option is to shove. If we take down $86 uncontested / untaxed preflop, oh well, not exactly a horrific result. And if BB is here to gambool, he might call it off preflop anyways, whereas if we don't get it in now he might find a fold postflop (such with whiffed AK or JJ on Q+ flops).

I might lean to a shove, but I could be convinced otherwise.

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