Basically I think against a smaller turn bet we're still ahead of villain pretty often that even though we only have 6 outs if behind it's still worth it. He can be "protecting" a hand like A6 with a turn bet sometimes, it's not just all total bluff & value that he will always follow through on river with.

coo, AP hero c/c T, river is an 8 and we lead for 3/4 pot, villain call.

How do we like going 1/3 flop, 1/3 Turn instead of betting 3/4 flop, and checking turn OOP?

100% VPIP guy to my left, have never seen him fold flop (seen him call with any pair or one overcard). Raise KK to 15, he calls, 2 other callers. Flop K94, two hearts. Pot 60-ish. Bet size?

Part 2, what if its heads up with 100% VPIP-guy and pot is 30?

Need stack sizes, but I would basically just make sure I bet enough to easily play for them by the river (obviously leaning towards huge bets on early streets against this guy).

GcluelessbetsizingnoobG

Seems ok.

If villains play hands face up flop is ok but vs trickier villains would check behind.

Don't build big pots with 2nd pair. Don't build big pots with players you don't have reads on. Don't try turning 2nd pair into a bluff, particularly against a player you don't have reads on. Small pots for small hands.

BTW, note the flop bet-sizing in the 2 hands above.

When increasing opening bet size to decrease callers do you need to tighten your range?

not if you feel most of them will play fit or fold postflop. Second point: if you're raising A8o to 4, 5, 6BB and still getting calls from K9 and 67o, then your raises are still for value.

Quick preflop decision, wasn't sure it was quite worth a thread so here I am.


V1 - BB (600) - Ok to Bad lag, somewhat respects hero's bigger bets. White guy ~30 years old

V2 - MP (160) - White guy around 30* Mostly tournament player. See him occasionally playing cash but first time we were at same table. Seems decent, Really nice and fun guy, win or lose, always happy, never gets angry. has bluffed a bit post flop here and there, nothing crazy but doesn't seem to get out of line preflop, has always had good to strong hands when raising pre and when he has 3 bet.
1 3 bet hand didn't make showdown, other hand. EP opens to 13, all fold, V2 3b from BB to $40, EP jams for V2's effective stack of $135, V2 calls with JJ, EP has KK, V2 spikes J on river.

* V2 is paralyzed from waist down, has limited movement of hands and head, have talked with him on many occasions, mentally he is 100% all there, just adding context that may be relevant after describing hand. Sometimes he doesn't always see action ahead of him, more so pre than post flop.

1/2 NL, Button straddles for $5, SB folds

V1 BB - ($600) raises to $20, his range is quite wide here.

2 folds

V2 MP - ($160) - Doesn't realize V1 has raised and I don't believe realizes the straddle either (it's at an angle that is a bit tough for him to see), starts to grab chips, picks up about $12-$14, before he can put them in the pot, the dealer points to the BB raise to $20, V2 looks to the right for a second, then toward dealer, without looking at his cards again or any hesitation immediately starts to push his 2 stacks forward, they actually topple on top of his cards in the process and says all in.

2 folds

Hero HJ ($325) looks down at AK and?

Fold or shove? I know V2's 3b range is wider than AA/KK for sure, trying to figure out if the very fast all in is because he saw it was V1 who opened or if it's because V2 is super strong or neither.

If I give V2, 99+ and AK+ he is 60/40 vs me, if i add in AQ, it's about 50/50, is this a trivial call since it's 32BB effective due to straddle, does his insta ship change anything?

CO and BU have small stacks and actually fold out of turn while hero thinks, V1 in BB doesn't react.

What are you putting Villain on here, and are you betting river or showing down?

$2/5
V - Unknown 30 yo white guy in hoodie, quiet/stoic, been at table 2 hours no real hands of significance. Seems decent enough.

Limps from UTG+2, so do 3 others.
KK in cutoff, I make it $30
They all call

63J ($150)
Checks around to me, I bet $100.
Villain calls, others drop
7 ($350)
Villain checks, I bet $225. Calls
2($800)
Villain checks

What's he limp-calling w/? The only hand I can see putting him on to value bet river is AJ/KJ and I'm not sure he's got that

stack sizes bro...

Ah yes.
We were both around $1,500 to start the hand

What's up guys. Can I get some input in this situation.

I've been dedicated to re-reading/trying to master 3 COTM (C-betting, Planning a hand, and Post Flop Play) and over the last month or so I can see my thought procress/game improving. One leak I can see in my game right now is planning the river with marignal hands. These two hands took place 2 days ago, and in both I kind of got lost on the turn.


Hand 1

2/2/3 game folds to co, he limps, hero makes it $17 on the Bu (playing tight aggro, but villain is relatviely new so don't think he knows. he's bought in for short sitting at $200) co calls. HU to the flop: Js5c2c, hero c-bet 20/34. Standard cbet, I was planning to betting any A, K or Q as bluff outs, I was going to also bet a club to try to take villain off of a J (trying to take villain off of a Jack with a club is likely spew vs a ss new players, but I thought a decent size bet might get it done, obv bet a 7 for value, and was going to shut it down on cards like a 2, 3, 4, 5 that doesn't change the board much) Turn 4c, check, hero DB 40/80, co calls River: Kc. This is where the issue is. Villain didn't c/r turn so he likley his range is likley capped at a Jack or a small flush. Is it a decent plan to try to take villain off of his jack on river A, K or Q or a 4th club? if a 4th club comes, do we b/f our small flush or we have enough sdv we can shut it down?

Hand 2

Ax9h on from CO, two MP limpers in front, hero isolate to $20 mainly to take the pot down pre, second two take steal position and play it accordinly post flop. The two villain's in question played a wide pre flop range, c/c flop wide so my plan was to flop something decent and go for 1-2 street of value, or attempt 1-2 street bluff. 100b eff, flop ($60): T52hh, both checks to me, hero checks it back. It's not a great flop to bluff on, i'm not folding out a Tx here, not folding out a FD, I can fold out PP 66-99, but that's a small range, i likley should cbet here to get villainst to fold out broadway and 66-99, but didn't want to multi barrel bluff as was my PF plan vs these two. Turn: Ah, both checks to me. hero delay c-bet $40/60 1 call. riverL Jh, we have a 9 high flush here, villain checks. Same spot as above.


How should I approach these sitauations on the turn? What kind of cards we can bluff as a decent success rate and what cards do we just shut it down on because we have decent SDV?

Obv. easy bet/fold against most V's. I'd need a special read to not bet here. He has a lot of suited jacks, mid pp's. I'd target AJ and go $300-$400. GL.

Trivial fold IMO if you think he sometimes has AA,KK. If never, call and embrace the gambol! Maybe I'm missing something???

Edit: Missed that BB has a decent stack. Makes it even more of a trivial fold.

Live 1/3, effective stacks all at least 100bb

Hero limps in CO with A6 after several limpers. BU who has been making a lot of pot building raises to amounts less than 10 raises to 12 this time. With three other callers, hero calls.

Flop is 666. Checked to BU, who bets 16. I am pretty sure he has a non-premium pocket pair. Two callers. Hero min-check-raises to 32.

Totally cool with preflop.

Assuming starting stacks are $300, SPR is now ~5. Which means we can trivially setup an easy river shove by betting 1/2 - 2/3 PSBs on each street. So I'd much rather just bet/bet/bet as I get to be the one setting the bet sizing so that I can play for stacks. Decent chance at least one person has a fullhouse at this point which they won't be considering folding until the river.

As played (which I'm not a fan of), I think I'd just call at this point and then donk the turn. Thanks to the multiple callers the pot is already built so that we can still play for stacks on turn/river. A check/raise in a 4way pot here is going to be taken as strong (small full houses may now consider folding) and the last thing I want someone to do at this point is to fold an overcard that might hit.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Bet 30 on the flop yourself instead. There's a decent chance of getting value from the non BU players who may have a pocket pair, while BU will probably need a pocket pair to bet himself.

Do you think someone who called with a hand like AK or KQ is going to fold for such a small bet?

One of my goals was to extract a little bit of extra money from a hand like 77, which is going to freeze up on a lot of turn or river cards. I was also trying to appear a bit weird and increase the probability that I get light calls from players who are curious and want to see what I have. I also thought there was a slight chance that a couple of players in the hand would put me on a medium pocket pair trying to see where its at and make a reckless decision to attack perceived weakness.

I'd like a quick checkup on the turn play in the following hand:

2/5 NLHE, 9 handed, typical loose splashy lineup

UTG ($300) limps

Hero ($500) limps w/ 66

MP ($500) raises to $25

LP ($500) calls

BTN ($500) calls

UTG calls

Hero calls

Flop ($125) K 7 6

It gets checked around

Turn ($125) 9

UTG bets $25

What action do you think is correct here most often?

turn is fine. I'm betting flop though.

I'd lead flop. as played I'd lead turn.

Bet flop. AP, turn raise is good, I'm getting it in OTR. Anything other than raising turn is pretty bad.

Pot sized bet on the flop, definitely.

At a typical lose passive table multi way oop I'm checking almost all my draws. Trying to see a free card, if someone does bet I expect it to be small and offer good odds, being lose I don't expect a lot of bets to get through but offer implied odds. That's my thinking, but I also know a lot of value from playing these hands is when I win without a showdown, right? I kinda assume without numbers or evidence that the lack of FE and the perceived IO the best is checking.

Easy fold or crying call?

MP is very loose preflop is only read I have so far

UTG opens for $13, 1 caller, MP calls, Hero makes it $45 with KK, only MP calls

Flop is J8J (Pot size is $115)
MP checks, Hero bets $35, MP calls

Turn is 5 (Pot is $185)
MP checks, Hero checks

River is T (Pot is $185)
MP checks, Hero bets $60, MP makes it $155