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03-08-2014 , 08:13 AM

#126

leo doc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jesse8888

Ive decided I'm never telling anybody to move down again.

After she hit a $2 slot for $2k last night, I didn't even have to tell the wife to move down.

Last edited by leo doc; 03-08-2014 at 08:20 AM.

03-08-2014 , 10:02 AM

#127

leo doc

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So the 20 doesn't start until 9 so I decided to sweat a craps table. I've decided I can't learn the game by just watching it. I did learn that those craps guys are a superstitious bunch.

And since I'm in MS, some of the table talk got a bit raunchy. The very talkative "stick guy" (if that's what you call him), is responding to one of the ladies that's placing bets for players after she makes kind of a smart remark to another player like, "I told you not to bet on that hard eight."

Stick guy says, "What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?"

Table pauses.

Him: "Nothin'. You done told her twice already."

03-08-2014 , 10:15 AM

#128

DougL

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Craps is super easy. The further you are from betting pass line and then taking full odds, the more you're gambling. The bet on your point is fair. You buy the 6 and the 8? Just a little worse. Field bets are casino charity. You're betting YO! Bad hangover tomorrow, you've gone to the dark side.

03-08-2014 , 11:43 AM

#129

AlanBostick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DougL

This. Don't overlook the come bet, which is almoat exactly like betting the pass bet, except it's for the next number rolled.

Craps in a group is a terrific party game. (But it's soul-destroying to be the only one at the table.) It's great for meeting and having fun with strangers, and it's bonding among friends. On that basis it can be well worth feeding the house edge.

03-08-2014 , 11:55 AM

#130

DougL

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I've heard it is the best place in the casino to pick up someone. The party aspect, the fact that you win together, it works I've heard.

03-08-2014 , 11:55 AM

#131

leo doc

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Can somebody just explain in a way that a dumbass doc can understand this.

03-08-2014 , 12:03 PM

#132

that_pope

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Yeah, I usually bet pass line, max odds, and 6 &/or 8. When I went to the dark side and was betting the Come bet, my money flew out of my pocket. But only in Vegas will I gamble.

03-08-2014 , 12:05 PM

#133

that_pope

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For Leo:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/

You first place a bet on the Pass Line, once a number is established, you'll place money behind it. Usually 1-3X the original bet. The 6 to 8 is on the top in the large horizontal box.

Just ask the dealer, and they will help you. Even though I've played a dozen times, I always forget the amounts to bet so I ask them and they will always tell you the amount to bet so it pays in even dollar amounts because nobody likes getting quarters.

03-08-2014 , 12:06 PM

#134

daveopie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DougL

Craps is super easy. Bet the "don't pass" line, which has a tiny mathematical edge over the "pass" line. Backing your "don't pass" bet is a good idea. Then sit back and watch everyone else. If they all start yelling and high-5'ing, then you just lost - quietly take it like a man. If, on the other hand, they all are sad and quiet, then you just won and you get to trash talk the entire table. Remember to loudly hank everyone else at the table who just lost money because it is their money that is funding your winning bet.

03-08-2014 , 12:18 PM

#135

DougL

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While the dark side math is good, playing pass line side is more fun. If you want unknown beautiful women (or men, depending) to hug you while happily shouting, put out a small amount on the pass, then bet max odds. Then join the celebration if you win. Buy a couple more numbers or come out again if you need more action.

03-08-2014 , 01:19 PM

#136

Captain Ron

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Craps for dummies:

Wait until the point is OFF (puck is a black OFF):
Put money on the PASS line:
-- if you roll a 2, 3, 12, you lose
-- if you roll 7, 11, you win
-- everything else the point becomes ON on the number that was rolled

At this point (puck is white ON):
-- if you roll that number again, you win
-- if you roll a 7, you lose
-- everything else you just keep rolling

Pro tip: when puck is ON, you can "take odds" on your bet and stick more money behind your PASS line be. That is the only fair bet in the casino.

Everything else is random and/or more complicated crazy **** to make you lose money faster.

Spoiler:

03-08-2014 , 01:28 PM

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leo doc

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Quick check up:

Friendly lag has been playing all night and still drinking Mich Ultras, opens utg, 75 yo dude 3-bets utg+1. I have black 9s next in.

03-08-2014 , 01:50 PM

#138

DougL

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How much does the guy lose to you when you crack his KK+. How likely is UTG to make you pay more? How often to the blinds follow along if you cold call?

If UTG were buttoned down guy who hasn't raised a hand in 3 hours and UTG+1 is well aware, I fold this. I don't think you can set mine and getting 4 bet happens plenty. Here, is a harder question. I want to think I can make 10x my initial investment when I suck out, if I'm getting your read right.

I'm assuming the UTG+1 isn't raising AK preflop, because he doesn't have anything, yet.

03-08-2014 , 04:03 PM

#139

Captain Ron

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I'd fold

03-08-2014 , 04:12 PM

#140

leo doc

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Both utg and old guy are regs. Utg has straddled every time, but he forgot this time. Old guy is 75+ but knows utg will open light, but also knows there's a crowd behind him. My guess is his 3! range is AJs and 99+. He also has a fairly narrow cold calling range first in. There's a MP player that would call 3 bets with a fair number of hands and the BB is there to make gambol. Utg's capping range is about old guy's 3! range.

That help?

03-08-2014 , 04:32 PM

#141

leo doc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Ron

Spoiler:

Is there a limit on the amount of money that I can put on my "take odds" bet behind the pass line?

03-08-2014 , 04:41 PM

#142

ninefingershuffle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leo doc

Quick check up:

Friendly lag has been playing all night and still drinking Mich Ultras, opens utg, 75 yo dude 3-bets utg+1. I have black 9s next in.

This isn't even close Leo.

03-08-2014 , 04:41 PM

#143

jdr0317

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I think 5/10 kill O8 may be my new slum game.

03-08-2014 , 04:42 PM

#144

DougL

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I'd call and play no set no bet in most instances. Plan on set mining for profit.

Yes, in craps there is a limited amount you can bet on the point. Depends on the rules. You're flipping with fair odds, so it depends on how much gamble you have. Craps can play big.

03-08-2014 , 05:25 PM

#145

ReasonableGuy

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I'm a little late for the Chinese food discussion, but in case any of you degenerates read books, this is a good one on the subject.

The Fortune Cookie Chronicles: Adventures in the World of Chinese Food

Quote:

If you think McDonald's is the most ubiquitous restaurant experience in America, consider that there are more Chinese restaurants in America than McDonalds, Burger Kings, and Wendy's combined. Former New York Times reporter and Chinese-American (or American-born Chinese). In her search, Jennifer 8 Lee traces the history of Chinese-American experience through the lens of the food.

03-08-2014 , 06:30 PM

#146

callipygian

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The guy betting "don't pass" is like the guy who agrees to a round of live straddles and then doesn't straddle when it's his turn.

03-08-2014 , 06:34 PM

#147

callipygian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leo doc

Is there a limit on the amount of money that I can put on my "take odds" bet behind the pass line?

Yes, typically it's posted. 2x to 5x is most common, but I've seen uncapped too (up to table limit obv). Sometimes it will depend on what point is made - 5x for 6/8 points, 3x for 5/9, and 2x for 4/10, for instance. Remember you get full odds on your odds bet so even these seemingly small caps make for pretty big wins when you make point.

03-08-2014 , 07:24 PM

#148

Jon_locke

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last time I was in tunica, they had some deal where you could do something like place the 9 big free. No idea if this is still the case, but if so its a good spot.

If theres different craps games, you want to find the ones that offer the highest odds, 100x is better than 10x which is better than 3-4-5 and then bet as small as possible on the pass line. Basically a $5 pass line bet with $500 odds behinds is the nuts and basically flipping, where as $25 pass line bet with $100 max odds sucks (even though your still only giving up a very small %)

03-08-2014 , 07:29 PM

#149

ninefingershuffle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jdr0317

I think 5/10 kill O8 may be my new slum game.

I played it last night and god it was a good game. I was the only person under the age of 80 playing. It was the only game I played that I didnt lose 101010101010 bets at.

03-08-2014 , 07:29 PM

#150

DougL

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Quote:

last time I was in tunica, they had some deal where you could do something like place the 9 big free. No idea if this is still the case, but if so its a good spot.

Very nice.

In my experience, the 100x odds places require a max pass line bet. You can't put down $0.10 and bet $10. You have to put down the $5 or whatever and then place a big bet. Since I'm just there to be silly, getting the maximum ratio of even EV bet to -EV bet isn't worth taking huge swings. The degen is weak in me.

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