He had a lot of time to rehearse those.

According to his IQ tests Brendan is borderline. Right in the low 70s.

Pretty sure "they" can't use a living Dassey's statement against Avery without Dassey himself available to be cross-examined by Avery's lawyers; you probably agree there are sound reasons for this. He was supposed to testify as a condition of his plea deal, but then abandoned it, a decision to his clear detriment but to Avery's advantage.

As to the truthfulness/reliability of the statements, I think it matters whether it's realistic to suppose that an innocent witness coerced once would request yet more meetings with the same officers over a few months, further implicating himself each time. What I took from them is that with bullet holes in the girl's skull and a bullet found with her DNA fired from Avery's gun, it's not really concievable that they were shooting her on some other day besides that one. Dassey's statements contextualize the evidence but obviously aren't by themselves the whole case against Avery.

Fwiw I haven't watched the tv movie but I have been browsing the court docs; the police conspiracy is squarely in the "entertainment" division while Avery's actual motions concern themselves with excluding individual bits of evidence on whatever basis, implicating his other relatives (but no victim relatives), etc. His 2010 filing seems not to dispute most of the evidence but rather argues that one of his relatives or customers is responsible. The blood vial wasn't a big deal during the trial and it seems to be forgotten now -- good explanation why is here: http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articl...bloodvial.html

My opinion, the owner of the property who personally requested the attendance of the person who would end up murdered all over the house is probably your guy, all of the evidence collected supports this, that Avery called Brandon over and made him participate in case he needed someone to take the blame later, and this will be his strategy going forward if he gets the chance.

Because of the nature of the justice system. They're threatened with a lengthy prison sentence and told the prosecutors have a lot of evidence and that they should consider just taking a plea deal to get a short sentence. In their mind they've already been found guilty of a crime they didn't commit and are in damage control mode... probably rightfully so too, since as this documentary shows the system and people in general are flawed.

What happened in BD's case though? He told his cousin he saw SA burning the body. The police came to him wanting to use him as a witness. They were psychologically comforting him saying it wasn't his fault etc, stuff you'd expect to say to a scared kid who witnessed a crime. Then the guy went from seeing a body in a fire, to in a garage, to raping her and stabbing her. I bet the police were like wtf.

He wasn't hypnotized into confessing a crime, stop with the foolishness.

lmao do you realize you're using the guys CONFESSION TO THE CRIME to try to prove his innocence?

this whole thing is absurd.

I believe he called 3 times. Twice using *67 or whatever it is to block caller ID. Pretty suspicious imo.

Yeah. This kinda helps support that the confession was at least some version of the truth. Are you more likely to lie after having been coached by lawyers and months to prepare or being interrogated by police? It's an interesting question.

But his performance on the stand leads me to believe he is capable of coherent thought and not just some ****** that'll say whatever someone wants him to.

Although, I'm certainly well aware of the tactics investigators use to get confessions.

Sorry, wrong thread.

This thread is for the documentary entitled: Making a Murderer where people who have seen the documentary discuss relevant issues of the cases.

I'm not sure which thread you meant to post this in but it must be some other "TV movie".

Please watch the documentary and pay special attention to the times Brendan requests meetings with law enforcement. If you add them all up they'd equal the amount of times that SA raped women.

Yeah, motive to frame, multiple illegal searches, illegal warrants, false positives on DNA tests, conflicting testimony, conflict of interest by investigators...you know, whatever.

Yeah, because appealing again with the exact same reasons that were denied by the exact same judges might make them reconsider right? Failing to investigate other possible suspects is an extremely legitimate appeal. What if an innocent man was locked up while the real perpetrator(s) were still out there committing crimes? We couldn't let that happen, could we?

Cool! Another Milwaukee media outlet. Let me guess, "evidence seal tape that has been cut open then re-sealed with masking tape is totally legit, especially when that tape was on the evidence box holding the vial of blood from the only person in Wisconsin history who has been framed once before and then charged with a brutal murder and is claiming he's being framed again. And the key piece of evidence against him is, in fact, not-quite-believable blood stains in the victim's car."

Probably something about a hole in the top being standard as well.

And by "all" you mean "even though absolutely none".

LOL. What's funny about this ridiculous claim is that you are right, he could have tried to implicate Brendan and would have probably had somewhat legit case. I bet it crossed the lips and minds of a few defense attorneys. But the problem is that Brendan was with him the whole night and he knows Brendan isn't capable of this. And as we've seen from the first 18 years in prison, he's just not going to do something like that, even though it might be an out.

Does anybody think this guy could be a professional on cleansing a violent crime scene that contained multiple knife wounds, chains, gunshots, fighting for life, with two perpetrators?

Look at how he dressed during the hearings on the Steve Avery bill. He is taking pictures with the Governor and all these politicians and he is wearing shorts, tennis shoes and an untucked shirt. I was laughing. His language skills are poor. His trailer is a dive. The business is literally a dump.

His handled a prior incident by running his cousin off the road and pointing an unloaded gun at her in front of everyone. He killed a cat in front of everyone. He sends letters saying he is going to commit crimes that everyone will see.

He certainly isn't the master criminal.

I would put him last on a list of rating 100 random people that could effectively clean a crime scene. He is a slob. It takes a meticulous person to perform that type of cleaning even if just a portion of the confession is accurate. I think he is too lazy and incompetent to do a load of laundry. He doesn't even wear underwear!

And this brilliant cleaner, that must have been on his hands and knees for four straight days scrubbing furiously, totally forgets that the victim's car is on his own property with evidence. He can go ahead and get rid of the car in a matter of minutes without even having to scrub, but hey let's clean what is front of me and put some branches over the car.

Oh, and during the precious post-murder countdown of knowing he will be a suspect, he takes a collect call from his jailed girlfriend and acts completely nonchalantly. I act more anxious than he did when I am running late for a lunch meeting.

He though is lolly-gogging and talking about love while there is human blood from a violent knife and gun fight all over his $20,000 trailer/home that would definitively pin him as the murderer and put him in jail for life. For all he knows, the police are coming at any moment, even during the phone call.

Let me get this straight:
-IQ of 70.
-Dresses like a slob.
-Probably has a 5th grade level of education at best.
-Trailer should be condemned
-"F" grade on trying to get away with prior transgressions
-Laughable beyond belief that the grand place for hiding the car was under a couple of branches on his own property with the license plates and fingerprints still there. Six-year kids could hide something better.

But then when it comes to ridding the place of DNA and Blood, he turns into a Crime Lab specialist just using ordinary cleaning supplies like bleach and towels picked up from the local Quick-E-Mart?

If there's a hole in the top of the blood vial, how does the blood remain a liquid and not become congealed?

I wondered this as well, but sort of gave up the search because there's no doubt that puncturing the top is the method used to collect blood. You'd think there would be a cap or something to ensure it's sealed. However, the "aha" moment was not a missing cap.

A+

No one is using his confession to prove his innocence. What are you on about? We're saying his confession was such that it alone doesn't prove his guilt. I don't know if Brendan is innocent. I don't particularly care. What I am convinced of is that his confession is tainted by manipulation and suggestion.

He's not a ******. No one has said he is a ******. Everyone has said he is near the borderline for ******ation. He's like Forrest Gump in that regard.

To be fair, your last point kind of undermines your previous ones. If Steven Avery was so utterly incompetent at being a master criminal then leaving a vehicle on his property that ties him to the crime is exactly the type of thing you'd expect him to do.

For the last time people, the bullet is not proven to have come from Steven's gun. They were able to say conclusively that it came from A .22 but not necessarily HIS .22

In fact the experts said that it likely wasn't his .22 because of the lack of any blood mist in or on the weapon

not nearly as suspicious as all of the shady so called police work

Does this documentary scare the crap out of anybody else? Like the obvious example that cops, DAs, judges, and media have way too much power and all have the same self interest, where if any of us were accused of a murder we didn't commit, we're basically a 1% odds we don't get convicted of life in prison, even if we have incredible expensive defense lawyers.

Millionaire money doesn't even make a difference, you gotta have tens hundreds of millions, that kind of power to make these things go away.

But the guys with that kind of money have the means to go away and live nicely, like that McAfee guy for example.

I don't even find it suspicious. What would SA hide if she answered? Was he just going to breath heavy into the phone?

I am sure he was calling to see if she was on schedule. That would require a conversation.

Also how was this supposedly something planned days in advance when SA has a standing arrangement to take Jodi to AA (or whatever it's called). A trip that the jail inexplicably choose not to allow on this occasion

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...dead-certainty

The New Yorker: How "Making a Murderer" Went Wrong

At first I thought Dean Strang said the entire paragraph and had to check the source. Turns out, it's only 3-5 words he once said and the rest is her dissertation on Why Making a Murderer is wrong.

I get her point, and it's a good one if you're contemplating buying a used car or deciding where to go for vacation. However, they did not swap "one absolute for another," as the good folks in the internet age proved well before she wrote this article. The facts have not been twisted. Equal parts on both sides have been left out. The documentary may seem biased only due to the information made available to the producers. They reported everything they possibly could and anything of significance on both sides. To state otherwise is to imply they purposely edited their footage to make a psychopath look innocent.

Just because the facts and evidence clearly show that something extremely wrong went down here, doesn't mean it's extreme and doesn't mean it's not clear.

For the first pick of the 2016 "They didn't do it" draft, saus selects:

blackize5 from somewhere-not-Wisconsin

Holy ****, you are ******ed if you think any part of this confession is truth.

Do you even understand coercion?

This dude is a good example of how dumb jurors put innocent people away for life.

Here's a good site for those not constipated with hubris that they know more than the jury:

http://stevenaverycase.com/

http://stevenaverycase.com/was-evidence-planted/

Not sure if this was discussed but I just read the reason the juror was dismissed was because his daughter was found in a ditch. Now what possible reason other then imminent death could there be to excuse him.

Here's something he stated-

"When we got into the jury room, the father of the Manitowoc County Sheriff Deputy sat there with his arms folded, and said, 'he's guilty as all hell,” Richard Mahler, juror said.*