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02-21-2016 , 02:43 AM
Good point mark, once they found his blood in her car they should have continued to pursue other potential leads.
02-21-2016 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Lol keep fighting the good fight fellas, without PoorS and Fraley you've managed to build a truly epic conspiratard echo chamber. I have to admit it's pretty impressive.
Yeah, there's really no point discussing with 95% of the people still posting here. Conspiratards gonna conspiratard.


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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Oh ill be back in full capacity in coming months when more information is released about SA and the rape of his relative. By june you should have all the information you need.

As of right now, I won't be very active itt. Its kind of pointless at this point, we are both looking at the same evidence and reaching different conclusions. We just have to agree to disagree.
Yeah, like I said, I'll still be here too, mainly just to read/discuss with you and the other few rational posters.


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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
No, hes guilty because of obvious reasons. The rape of his 17 year old cousin is just clear indication how much of a pos he is and will hopefully wake people up that their time could be better utilized not defending a man who lacks enough empathy to rape a 17year old and brag about it.
Lol don't hold your breath.


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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Good point mark, once they found his blood in her car they should have continued to pursue other potential leads.
Lol, I'm sure they would have too if there were any other leads.

Someone being Teresa's friend and dating her 5 years ago is not a lead. Someone being Teresa's brother is not a lead. Someone attacking his family with an axe is not a lead.

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02-21-2016 , 03:27 AM
What?
02-21-2016 , 03:34 AM



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02-21-2016 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush Making a Murderer
I'm not trying to fool anyone. Wtf are you talking about?
I meant that you're secretly a card-carrying member of TeamPoorshillz, that's all.
02-21-2016 , 03:43 AM
Wait, since the band is back together, what are you guys' thoughts on the the missing Fox Hills interrogation?

Somebody quote this so PShillz can see.

Interestingly, that same site he kept linking details it as well, so it's clearly not in the realm of conspiracy:

http://stevenaverycase.com/brendan-d....PAKUSfK7.dpbs

Brendan had first been interviewed as a witness, but when his 14-year-old cousin Kayla told school counselors Brendan had talked about the murder with her, the police interviewed him again. He was pulled out of class to give an interview at the school, then driven to the police station for further questioning. That night, police visited Brendan and his mother at a lodge they had been sent to for protection. The discussions had that night are unrecorded. It wasn't until after these unrecorded sessions that Brendan fully confessed to participating in Teresa Halbach's murder. Links to transcripts and video of his school interview and later interrogations can be found at the bottom of this page.
02-21-2016 , 03:45 AM
I mean, come on, what do you think those long ass posts I made the past few were leading to?
02-21-2016 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer

Lol, I'm sure they would have too if there were any other leads.

Someone being Teresa's friend and dating her 5 years ago is not a lead.
What if "dating" lasted 5 years and they were still in regular contact? What if he admitted to accessing her voicemail and cell phone records which may have held key evidence to her whereabouts on the day she went missing? What if he said that he simply "guessed" the passwords and his only explanation for doing this (as opposed to allowing the authorities to) was to see if he himself could find clues as to what happened to her? What if he had noticeable injuries such as scratches and scrapes on his hands?





What if he nails a 1/20 shot of providing the vehicle discoverer with a camera? What if he said this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRa7yPDjBzk

What if Teresa had been receiving harassing phone calls just days prior from someone she clearly knew? What if he can give no time or reason for his visit to her the day before she goes missing?

Are trying to argue that considering the above, an ex-lover of 5 years who was still in contact with her regularly should not have been investigated thoroughly?


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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Someone attacking his family with an axe is not a lead.
This is true....

Unless:

- He had visited the Avery yard repeatedly.

- He tried to kill his ex-girlfriend with an ax and shouted 'die dirty b****' just five days after Teresa Halbach went missing.

- He was just 15 miles from Avery family salvage yard where Halbach was last seen.

- He was on the yard on day searchers found Halbach's SUV - and attacked ex the same day.

Are you really trying to argue this guy should not have been investigated?
02-21-2016 , 04:04 AM
Also,

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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Good point mark, once they found his blood in her car they should have continued to pursue other potential leads.
The blood was found on the 8th. TH was reported missing on the 3rd. They did not purse anything in these 5 days.
02-21-2016 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
If they're posts about people who were involved in the investigation being corrupt, then it matters
Was the Wisconsin State Crime Lab involved in the investigation?
02-21-2016 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bank Making a Murderer
PoorShillz and fraley will be back within a day.
You don't say?
02-21-2016 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Someone being Teresa's friend and dating her 5 years ago is not a lead. Someone being Teresa's brother is not a lead. Someone attacking his family with an axe is not a lead.
Uh what?

Let's ignore these types when there are known cat killers on the loose.
02-21-2016 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive Making a Murderer
Wait, since the band is back together, what are you guys' thoughts on the the missing Fox Hills interrogation?

Somebody quote this so PShillz can see.

Interestingly, that same site he kept linking details it as well, so it's clearly not in the realm of conspiracy:

http://stevenaverycase.com/brendan-d....PAKUSfK7.dpbs

Brendan had first been interviewed as a witness, but when his 14-year-old cousin Kayla told school counselors Brendan had talked about the murder with her, the police interviewed him again. He was pulled out of class to give an interview at the school, then driven to the police station for further questioning. That night, police visited Brendan and his mother at a lodge they had been sent to for protection. The discussions had that night are unrecorded. It wasn't until after these unrecorded sessions that Brendan fully confessed to participating in Teresa Halbach's murder. Links to transcripts and video of his school interview and later interrogations can be found at the bottom of this page.
QFT
02-21-2016 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
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What if he said this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRa7yPDjBzk

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Wow... You know MAM only had a snippet of that right?

Another notch in my claim that MAM actually pulled quite a few punches.
02-21-2016 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
Uh what?

Let's ignore these types when there are known cat killers on the loose.
Good that they caught him that maniac would be scaring cats with some cuncumbers if he wasnt locked(google that stuff it's hilarious)
02-21-2016 , 04:27 AM
Ok, so, here are my first 4 parts of The Story Of The Interrogation Shenanigans II : The Interrogationing :

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6118

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6123

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6125

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6126

I wasn't going to write up something tonight but since I have the Fox Hills stuff pulled up I'll show the links:

http://stevenaverycase.com/brendan-d....PAKUSfK7.dpbs

Brendan had first been interviewed as a witness, but when his 14-year-old cousin Kayla told school counselors Brendan had talked about the murder with her, the police interviewed him again. He was pulled out of class to give an interview at the school, then driven to the police station for further questioning. That night, police visited Brendan and his mother at a lodge they had been sent to for protection. The discussions had that night are unrecorded. It wasn't until after these unrecorded sessions that Brendan fully confessed to participating in Teresa Halbach's murder. Links to transcripts and video of his school interview and later interrogations can be found at the bottom of this page.

http://www.convolutedbrian.com/the-f...an-dassey.html

The Fox Hills Resort Session

There was a third session involving investigators and Brendan Dassey on 27 February, 2006. This took place at the Fox Hills Resort in Mishicot, Wisconsin.

This along with the two prior interrogations received scant documentation by the investigators. In the sworn criminal complaint filed against Brendan Dassey by Special Agent Tom Fassbender, the three sessions were characterized by this statement:

“On February, 27, 2006 Investigator Mark Wiegert of the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department interviewed Brendan R. Dassey, DOB: 10/19/1989, who stated that on October 31, 2005, at approximately 3:45 p.m., he got of the school bus and went to his residence which is located next door to Steven Avery’s residence at 12932 Avery Road. Dassey stated that he saw Teresa Halbach’s vehicle.”

Fassbender did not even acknowledge his role in the interrogations or the information obtained. This sin of omission is unethical at the least. Fassbender was present and active at all three of the sessions. What was the intent of hiding these three sessions?


During the Mishicot High School interrogation, Fassbender and Calumet County Investigator Mark Wiegert had broached the idea that Dassey feared Steven Avery. Toward the end of the Two Rivers Police Department interrogations, Dassey indicated if Avery were released from jail, Avery would kill Dassey after questions to that effect. But, Dassey also said that Avery’s release was unlikely.

Fassbender and Wiegert claimed they feared the Avery family would retaliate against Dassey for his statements incriminating Steven. They placed Brendan, his brother Blaine, and his mother Barb Janda in the Fox Hills Resort for the night.

Yet, the Avery family would have no knowledge of Dassey’s confessions. And, the three returned home then next morning with no concern from the investigators. Why the need for protective custody that lasted only one night and was used before there was any need for it. They did not counsel the three on potential dangers or offer them further protection. The danger had evaporated overnight.

Calumet County deputies were posted at the resort, and it was their duty to continue the interrogation and report information to the lead investigators. These interrogations were not recorded. Nor, were continued grillings by Tom Fassbender. Wiegert and Fassbender claimed their tape recorder was broken. This is despite training from the Reid Institute.

Apparently, Barb Janda mentioned that Brendan had bleach marks on his jeans the night of October 31, 2005, and the spots were a result of him and Avery cleaning Avery’s garage floor. Tom Fassbender testified on 16 April, 2007 that he went to the Fox Hills Resort at 10:30 P.M. when he heard about this, calling the session a witness interview. But, he was willing to wait until 1 March, 2006 to obtain the jeans.

From the criminal complaint: “On February 27, 2006, your complainant spoke with Barb Janda. Barb Janda stated on October 31, 2006, when Brendan Dassey returned from Steven Avery’s residence, Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans. Barb Janda Asked Dassey what happened to his jeans, and he told her his jeans were bleached while he was helping Steven Avery clean his garage floor with bleach. On Mar 1, 2006 Investigator Wiegert recovered the jeans worn by Dassey on October 31, 2005. Wiegert noted the jeans contained bleach spots and other stains.”

That night, Fassbender also confronted Brendan Dassey about a red stain on the Avery garage floor, likely from a spill of red antifreeze. After leading questioning, Dassey said it might be blood then said it was blood. The spot tested negative for blood. (But, the prosecution continued to claim it was blood during Dassey’s trial.)

When Dassey’s second defense attorney, Len Kachinsky, attempted to suppress Dassey’s 1 March, 2006, confession, he mentioned the stay at Fox Hills. He did not mention the further interrogation nor the results. For that matter, Kachinsky glossed over the first two interrogations rather than point out the multitude of information provided by Fassbender and Wiegert as well as the need for continual prompting to get Dassey to repeat their planted information

The deputies who took part in this event are potentially at risk. There is always the possibility for the manipulations and misstatements of the lead investigators will be exposed.

This session, whether a witness interview, or an interrogation is troubling. Particularly because Fassbender minimized almost out of existence and both investigators mis‑characterized the purpose and the basis for the overnight custody.


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02-21-2016 , 06:37 AM
So Zellner has evidence on the real killer:

Who is it?
Ryan Hillegas - ex boyfriend
Lenk and Colburn - cops

Who else could it be?
02-21-2016 , 06:45 AM
Too many possibilities to guess. The fact zellner said it was under their noses all the time remove the serial killer.
could be
- ex bf
- someone from his family
- the axe lunatic
- cop is a very low % in my mind
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since the cops did a poor job at investigating the case we dont really have any proper clue.
02-21-2016 , 07:00 AM
No way it's anyone from the family. It would be way too easy to trace the evidence back to a family member, whereas this evidence was obviously planted.

If it was family, there would be fingerprints, blood, motive, dna, all over the scene. But they couldn't find anything so they had to fabricate it. Besides that, the family was about to get a windfall, no way any of them would risk that, and since this case their has been no signs of criminal acts from the other brothers.

Most logical is Hillegas or Sheriff's Dept. And neither of those avenues could be investigated.
02-21-2016 , 07:03 AM
I think zellner twitted something that kinda remove the possibility that it was a family member, but tbh i m not even sure zelner has definite proof yet and that s why she asked for some test.
02-21-2016 , 07:33 AM
Zellner tweeted she has the killer. So she definitely has DNA proof. It's from something on the RAV4 or the TH keys, remains, anything. She's got them.

If she can prove it was someone else that committed the crime, the whole nation will be an uproar...and thus have to vacate this conviction.
02-21-2016 , 07:36 AM
she doesnt have them, and to my knowledge she had to ask for some tests to be performed last week
02-21-2016 , 07:39 AM
I think the way it's going to go down is that Zellner is going to get a confession from Ryan, and then he's going to roll the cops under the bus for helping him disguise this.

      
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