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In a vacuum the cops but whoever killed TH is a sociopath and a murderer. Motive for the murder is self evident. With that in mind, the sociopath has a better motive.

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02-16-2016 , 06:01 PM

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By comparison.. Who has a better motive for 9-11?

Ben laden

or

The us government.

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02-16-2016 , 06:06 PM

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probably Ben

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02-16-2016 , 06:06 PM

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I don't even really get what the cops' motive to frame Avery would be?

If they succeed, they don't really gain much, if anything.

If they get caught, they're facing a long time in prison.

The only cop with a motive would be Koceurek, but he's already retired and not involved in any way.

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02-16-2016 , 06:10 PM

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I guess we can start with the baseless speculation that Colborn and Lenk were worried they'd be sued and so decided to frame Avery for murder...

...but then we can also do the same for Avery and say he'd seen Teresa several times and had been plotting out his rape fantasy.

All this motive talk is junk imo.

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02-16-2016 , 06:15 PM

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The pro's opinion on BD.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...11-10-2006.pdf

Yup, SA DID NOT MOLEST BD iho.

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02-16-2016 , 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by housenuts

probably Ben

I disagree, in a vacuum, ladens motive is actually pretty weak. Especially when you try and understand an irrational person using logic.

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02-16-2016 , 06:32 PM

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In a vacuum the cops but whoever killed TH is a sociopath and a murderer. Motive for the murder is self evident. With that in mind, the sociopath has a better motive.

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I disagree, in a vacuum, ladens motive is actually pretty weak. Especially when you try and understand an irrational person using logic.

whoever did 9-1-1 is a terrorist. Motive for terrorism is self evident. With that in mind, the terrorist has a better motive.

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02-16-2016 , 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by housenuts

whoever did 9-1-1 is a terrorist. Motive for terrorism is self evident. With that in mind, the terrorist has a better motive.

Whoever killed TH is a sociopath and a murderer. The motive is self evident.

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02-16-2016 , 06:34 PM

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Whoever did 9-1-1 is a terrorist. The motive is self evident.

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02-16-2016 , 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz

I don't even really get what the cops' motive to frame Avery would be?

Anything else about this case you "don't even really get"?

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02-16-2016 , 06:39 PM

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Them Bones again, Dug up from a Fire PIT that has a thick layer of oily soil/ash mix, but hey EVEN THE prosecution Witness said that NO OIL WAS FOUND ON THE BONES & NO smell of burned rubber.

So **** off with Ahh but steel wire & rubber was found with the bones, JFC he burned tire's in pit all week ever week.

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02-16-2016 , 06:43 PM

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Whoever did 9-1-1 is a terrorist. The motive is self evident.

Yes, you have said this already. And I agree. The same can be said for TH, the motive for SA killing her is self evident. It takes a special kind of **** to break down a body in a fire after killing someone. So even if in a thought experiment I pretend it isn't SA, the motive imo would still be the same. Someone who likes to torture and gets satisfaction out of watching things suffer.

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02-16-2016 , 06:43 PM

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I think the main thing this shows is that this whole "who has a stronger motive" nonsense is very subjective.

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02-16-2016 , 06:52 PM

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Moving TH body/bones without the coroner is ILLEGAL (MCSD done it here).

Moving TH body/bones IN A SUSPECTED MURDER CASE IS ****ING SHOCKING TO SAY THE LEAST.

And were the bones found on the 1st day? Ohh but big SCARY dog. kiss my ass, mother****ers, did ya'll see the equipment & manpower.

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02-16-2016 , 07:08 PM

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PoorSkillz and Co,

Just any single thought about this:

http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/...-double-murder

It's relevant considering you've now resorted to posts like this:

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Don't forget the FBI was involved as well, so how about this:

It's a systemic disease in the entirety of the USA. Corrupt cops, corrupt crimelabs, corrupt judges, corrupt politicians, corrupt justice system.

The prison-industrial complex has created a huge conflict of interest, and that alone is enough reasonsble doubt for every person currently in prison to go free.

I witnessed these injustices firsthand while watching the Wire, and now again while watching Making a Murderer. I will stand for it no longer, and I will make it known through my 2p2 posts!

Unfortunately, no one understands what reasonsble doubt means except me...

Am I doing this right?

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02-16-2016 , 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz

I think the main thing this shows is that this whole "who has a stronger motive" nonsense is very subjective.

"nonsense"
"very subjective"

Wat.

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02-16-2016 , 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 5ive

PoorSkillz and Co,

Just any single thought about this:

http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/...-double-murder

It's relevant considering you've now resorted to posts like this:

"Although he was being processed and in police lock-up between 6:45 p.m. and 10 p.m. on that same night for an unrelated disorderly conduct charge, Taylor asserts police eventually coerced a confession out of him for the crime by chaining him to a wall, punching him and hitting him with a flashlight."

This is why he confessed. ****ed up as it maybe, this is a false equivalency if your attempt is to compare it to what happened to BD.

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02-16-2016 , 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 5ive

PoorSkillz and Co,

Just any single thought about this:

http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/...-double-murder

It's relevant considering you've now resorted to posts like this:

Article seems biased. Plus he was in jail for a disorderly conduct (when the crime occurred). Disorderly conduct = homicidal monster.

In all seriousness though:

COPS WERE ABLE TO BURY THE FACT THAT HE WAS, IN FACT, IN JAIL WHEN THE CRIME OCCURRED AND EVEN COERCED AN EYE-WITNESS TESTIMONY TO "PROVE" HE ACTUALLY WASN'T IN JAIL.

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02-16-2016 , 07:26 PM

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No one is denying this kind of stuff happens.. JESUS ****ING CHRIST! How many times does everyone have to tell you that before you understand? That is not my position, and I have not heard that argument come from skillz,revots or anger.

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02-16-2016 , 07:30 PM

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No one is denying this kind of stuff happens.. JESUS ****ING CHRIST! How many times does everyone have to tell you that before you understand? That is not my position, and I have not heard that argument come from skillz,revots or anger.

So you really want to play this game, now, on a forum where everything is documented and a poster has a small time window to edit their posts?

p.s. Did you even read the post of Poorskillz' that I linked? And that doesn't even come close to best illustrating what I mean; it's only the most recent.

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02-16-2016 , 07:34 PM

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This is why he confessed. ****ed up as it maybe, this is a false equivalency if your attempt is to compare it to what happened to BD.

LOL no. Steven Avery (who you are trying to compare to the man chained against the wall) never admitted to anything. BD would be equivelant of the multiple witnesses coerced into corroborating the Cop's story. Comments?

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02-16-2016 , 07:41 PM

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"Although he was being processed and in police lock-up between 6:45 p.m. and 10 p.m. on that same night for an unrelated disorderly conduct charge, Taylor asserts police eventually coerced a confession out of him for the crime by chaining him to a wall, punching him and hitting him with a flashlight."

This is why he confessed. ****ed up as it maybe, this is a false equivalency if your attempt is to compare it to what happened to BD.

That's not even the equivalency I was making, especially not to the specific confession of BD, although I COULD if you wanted me to.

The general equivalency is the natural ease of framing somebody if some LEOs so chose. Getting into specifics is for upperclassmen and we're not there yet.

Because I'm in a nice mood, I'll even present a somewhat fallacious statement that has an easy rebuttal to see how capable you guys are: Wow, if they can do this in The City Of Chicago, with a vast conspiracy involving thousands of LEOs, it must be even that much easier to do it in smalltown WI!

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02-16-2016 , 07:41 PM

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Lol, this. IMO it's really best to just ignore some posters.

Who's more crazy: the lunatic or the person who continues trying to have a rational conversation with him?

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