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04-05-2010 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by STA654
He thought he would be dead at this point and he wanted her to be completely innocent of any wrongdoing.
I think this fails because her criminal culpability would likely have been unaffected, and the proceeds from his activities would not be shielded were they discovered anyway.

More fundamentally-- I think he didn't tell her because he feared her opposition. Simple as that.
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04-05-2010 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pocket Trips
I really wish there was some sort of minimum IQ test people had to take before posting ITT.
I'd rather read a naive opinion about the show than bull**** posts like this ^
04-05-2010 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mused01
skyler made up for everything in the past 2 seasons with the deadpan "I ****ed Ted" line. holy **** you cold hearted bitch, i think i'm attracted to you now.
Agree 100%. The last 20 seconds were awesome.

Also, Aaron Paul as Jesse is amazing.

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04-05-2010 , 05:53 PM
Yeah, I dunno why so many people here are certain that Walt deserves any sort of sympathy or should even get to explain himself to her.
04-05-2010 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RacersEdge
Jesse has no chance of making the high end meth on his own right?
I'd say probably not quite as good -- but he has cooked with Walter repeatedly and for a couple days straight, I'd imagine he picked up some technique.

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04-05-2010 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
It's hard to believe that Skylar ever loved Walt when she shuts him out of her and her kids' lives without even giving Walt a chance to justify himself.
All of S2 was her giving Walt a chance to come clean.

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04-05-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by shemp
You don't get to be the victim when you continue to lie after you are caught and after you are repeatedly warned that the lies are destroying your bond. You don't get to keep reaching for the bottom, and expect the other person to wait for you to touch it. You don't get to say you did it for the other person. He is the one who broke the marriage. Who she ****s and why is her business. She can build a relationship on whatever terms she and whoever is next, whether Walt, Ted, or someone else agree to. But Walt destroyed the relationship they had.

He tells her the truth after she finally makes good on her promise. He tells the truth when it is the only card he has left. How that is supposed to engender empathy is mysterious to me, when it as likely a sign that his devolution to being a sociopath is complete as it is to indicating he has been positively transformed.
ugh, thank you.

i've been on tilt here reading most of the reactions to what skylar did.

she evened the playing field. now they both see each other as 'tainted', and now that her moral high horse is broken down, she's on walt's level now.

let the cooking (re)begin.
04-05-2010 , 07:55 PM
Someone's gotta make the meth.

Skylar is still a raging b****
04-05-2010 , 07:56 PM
I would say 100% Jesse can make the same quality meth as Walt, if he has all the same ingredients.

Unless he wants to steal another barrel of methlamine however, he's gonna need to use some other recipe which is where Walt's actual knowledge of the chemistry instead of just that ingredients list/recipe would be quite necessary. Right?
04-05-2010 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by shemp
I think this fails because her criminal culpability would likely have been unaffected, and the proceeds from his activities would not be shielded were they discovered anyway.

More fundamentally-- I think he didn't tell her because he feared her opposition. Simple as that.
Are you sure about that? Do you think Walt shared this opinion?
04-05-2010 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by STA654
Are you sure about that? Do you think Walt shared this opinion?
I'm not a lawyer. I don't know what they could get her for or more to the point how they could get her for whatever it was. Maybe a lawyer can chime in.

I think Walt lied because he didn't want to deal with her expected opposition. In any case, I don't feel a need to attribute a mistaken view (assuming I'm correct on the preceding) to him.
04-05-2010 , 09:36 PM
Skylar maybe a bitch, but Walt is certainly an *******. While it is badass to see Walt finally take what is his, he has regularly explicitly done terrible things (killing jane, blowing up that douche bag with the bluethooths car, etc.) He has done all of this in spite of being given an out by Elliot and Gretchen, he doesn't need to pay for his cancer treatment and spite isn't a reasonable excuse for his actions.
04-05-2010 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by shemp
Why couldn't he tell her his plan, initially? It is all for her, right?

And many times along the way she caught him lying and begged him to come clean and threatened him that more lies meant he would lose her-- And what did he do? And why didn't he come clean?
Agree wtih this and basically all youve posted regarding this argument.

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Originally Posted by Xaston
I would say 100% Jesse can make the same quality meth as Walt, if he has all the same ingredients.

Unless he wants to steal another barrel of methlamine however, he's gonna need to use some other recipe which is where Walt's actual knowledge of the chemistry instead of just that ingredients list/recipe would be quite necessary. Right?
Jesse is a complete idiot. No way does he produce better quality than the standard dealer even with all the things Walt taught him.


One more thing regarding Walt's intentions. IIRC Walt learned about cooking meth before he received the bad news, right? Wasnt it like this:
Hank tells him on his bday --> Walt sees Jessy and asks him about it --> Walt finds out he has cancer --> He decides to cook?
04-05-2010 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurious


Jesse is a complete idiot. No way does he produce better quality than the standard dealer even with all the things Walt taught him.
Why couldn't he just do what he was doing in episode 9 of season 2, and produce that same great blue ****?
04-05-2010 , 10:01 PM
Let's stipulate that Skylar is an emasculating bitch, and this last episode complete with her making love to a cigarette before getting her ashes hauled by her boss drove that on home. (I may like her, but okay, let's put that out there.)

There's a great scene in season one (I think) where he tells her to climb down out of his bung-hole. ("Could you do that honey? I'd really appreciate it. I really would.") She has a look of shock, but maybe some admiration.

If he wanted to change some of the dynamics of their relationship, I think that was more in line with how to do it. I mean, if you are scoring these things at home...
04-05-2010 , 10:06 PM
As others have pointed out, Jessie's major failures have been as a result of his addiction to meth. Barring a relapse, there is no reason he couldn't produce high quality meth. Don't forget, even before he met Walt he was cooking, so what he observed in his time with Walt could lead to a higher quality product. It won't be the same quality as Walt's but it will be infinitely better than what seems to be available from other cooks.
04-05-2010 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Xaston
Why couldn't he just do what he was doing in episode 9 of season 2, and produce that same great blue ****?
Everybody loves the Hapless Jess Pinkman. We all want him to escape the coming Armageddon with enough cash to open a comic book store in Portland. They are going to disappoint us. He's going to die.

In the meantime, it doesn't make sense according to the imperatives of the show for him to make Walt obsolete. If he can do it, Walt dies-- (so if he can do it, he must be killed because they aren't going to kill Walt off because Jesse has made him expendable).

More likely, he can't do it. His constant is that he is a sweetheart who needs some shepherding-- and never gets it. Also, his inability to do it reasserts that there is something special about Walt. A moron can cook meth (good news for Jesse)-- but in Breaking Bad it takes Walt to cook the super meth.
04-05-2010 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
One more thing regarding Walt's intentions. IIRC Walt learned about cooking meth before he received the bad news, right? Wasnt it like this:
Hank tells him on his bday --> Walt sees Jessy and asks him about it --> Walt finds out he has cancer --> He decides to cook?
My memory is that after he finds out he has cancer he asks to go on a ride along with Hank in order to learn more about cooking meth-- and that is where he first sees his ex-student, Jesse.
04-05-2010 , 10:28 PM
Whats Walt's motivation to keep cooking meth now? He already has 500k he has no use for. Only scenario I can see is Gus telling him he's going to die if he doesn't.
04-05-2010 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MiRee446
Whats Walt's motivation to keep cooking meth now? He already has 500k he has no use for. Only scenario I can see is Gus telling him he's going to die if he doesn't.
Pure speculation:

Spoiler:
The bad news is that his cash is in a duffle bag in his house that is under surveillance by Gus. Seems kinda obvious, but who knows.

Gus could maybe buy some time with the brothers by letting them rob Walt.
04-05-2010 , 10:56 PM
I dont get why jesse gets so much credit for being a great actor, seriously how hard is it to play an emo teenager that feels empty inside. He probably acts just like he does in real life
04-05-2010 , 10:59 PM
btw walts mistake was telling her from the beginning all time dumb but it makes the show more interesting obv
04-05-2010 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
I dont get why jesse gets so much credit for being a great actor, seriously how hard is it to play an emo teenager that feels empty inside. He probably acts just like he does in real life
I take it you haven't seen The Weird Al Biopic trailer? The kid has range.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/323...yankovic-story
04-06-2010 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Xaston
I take it you haven't seen The Weird Al Biopic trailer? The kid has range.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/323...yankovic-story
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Perhaps you should try looking in the crypt? (Not really)

is he in any other shows or series?
04-06-2010 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
He has done all of this in spite of being given an out by Elliot and Gretchen, he doesn't need to pay for his cancer treatment and spite isn't a reasonable excuse for his actions.
If it is just spite, then yeah its pretty dumb but we still dont know 100% what happened back then to cause the rift. All we have is a few lines from Walt & Gretchen, either of which could be exaggerated. I'd like to think that the writers have already thought about this.
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