LOL when the anti-LIV crowd can't defend their hypocrisy of the Saudi money that makes their daily life as they know it happen, they insta switch topics and start blabbering about Trump. I doubt any PGA golfers give a flying fk either way.

what does any of the stuff like buying gas or companies that sell or buy products from Saudi have to do with...

a foreign state opening up a sports league on your territory, luring away some of your well know players with cash and then trying to force the league they stole them from to let them play in their events?

enjoy your new cricket league. surprised they didn't go for rugby

Your reply to my post had nothing to do with what I posted so I'm going to assume you can't refute any of my statements.

But you were the one who dragged Trump into this.


Last year's LIV events held at Trump properties turned into MAGA rallies with politicians like Marjorie Taylor Greene and her ilk chanting Let's Go Brandon while golfers were on the course.

As a golfer, I don't want to be a part of a circus show like that. It's once again showing that many of the people that attend LIV events don't do so for the golf.

From what I've read, if LIV can't start showing signs of revenue by year's end, they could pull the plug. They need at least two things to happen, a better TV contract and world ranking points. The initial lawsuit involving the PGA Tour won't start until early 2024 and by then it might not matter.

Are they US based? I wasn't aware of that. I thought them holding the grand final tourney in the Saudi Arabia made it a Saudi based tour. Why is a guy from Japan considered USA player property of the PGA Tour because it's all that ever existed vs having the option to play elsewhere. Nobody forced any of this other than the PGA Tour by threatening a ban if they played in a single event. Why is playing one LIV event bannable but playing on the DP World Tour, Australian Tour, or Asian Tour is perfectly fine? PGA drew this line, not LIV.

Cricket league. If the Adelaide event was a complete flop everybody would be laughing and mocking. Instead it was a packed as big as a major and had great reviews. Here everybody is scared of it being embraced instead and throwing out Saudi and Trump nonsense.

Oh so you don't like a golf tour going tard political or tard social, but fully embraced the PGA Tour blacking out a tee time for a guy that died of a fentanyl overdose? Trump has good golf courses. So what? The fact that the PGA Tour doesn't play Doral anymore is a joke.

They're obviously not in it for a decade plus with nothing to show for it. I give them 5 years of not showing any promise before they pull the plug if the TV ratings don't get there. The big names are locked in for that long, so I doubt they took a chance on this to pay them what they did with the idea of pulling the plug after only 1 real full year, and just forfeiting the remaining 3 years of bonus to them. Nor did Feherty or any of the broadcasters leave comfortable jobs for a complete gamble of something that was a coin flip at best to work.

post the CW ratings for this event when you have them itt for the lolz. doesn't matter one iota for the long-term viability of the exhibition league that 90k ppl attended the AUS exhibition

how is the crowd chanting "Let's Go Brandon" and Trump and some of his acolytes tossing MAGA gear to the crowd not relevant to the discussion?

I don’t expect much of the CW ratings. Comparing them to CBS which has a 50 year head start or whatever is unreasonable. I watched on LIV Golf Plus because Atlanta CW banned it from broadcasting. Therefore I watched but you won’t find me on CW ratings. They’re on there because nobody knew what to expect after just a few youtube showings, and a lineup that was undetermined and format nobody had ever seen. If they get on a real network then we can talk numbers. If they regularly have more events packed like this then don’t expect to be talking CW ratings much longer.

Who cares about Trump with any of this? Did any of you complain when they chanted the same **** at college football games, NFL games, MLB games, races etc and refuse to watch? Nope. This is all singled out to LIV where it goes from one hypocritical argument to another that nobody can justify. Just admit you don’t want the PGA Tour talent to be watered down by a 54 hole team event on LIV. That would be as fair as the LIV guys saying they simply went for better pay that the PGA Tour showed no signs of ponying up. Everything else just sounds like running in circles nonsense and whining. If it’s no threat and going to be gone next year then why are any of you worried about anything that’s happening with it?

I know this was reported before but has it ever been confirmed. I'm sure different players have different contracts and obviously stipulations come with getting a bunch upfront $. Even golf digest reports Gooch winning 4M.

Do you watch LIV, How do you know it's seemingly laid back? Do you think LIV is anymore laid back than the Zurich Classic?

They were chanting let's go Brandon at Hilton Head last week at the RBC. Politards have attached themselves to LIV/PGA because they are angry losers. Not sure why a golf fan wouldn't enjoy more great professional golf to watch.

I know. They jump from haterade to haterade about it without being able to discuss or answer anything and just keep switching the subject. That or it’s an “lol” or one sentence response of nothing.

In other news look at the Mexico Open field next week at a Greg Norman designed course of all things. That field is pathetic and this week’s Zurich Classic was a snooze fest that barely anybody attended or watched. Who wouldn’t want a different and more interesting golf league on weeks like this? Nobody expects LIV to remotely compete with PGA Tour on designated events or Fed Ex Cup tourneys. So what’s the problem if they offer something more interesting on the weeks the PGA is hosting tourneys so pathetic in attendance and viewership that sponsors like the Honda have said enough already and pulled the plug?

The contract stipulations came out by accident through one of LIV's lawyers at a legal proceeding with a hot mic nearby. Once it was out in the open it was quickly confirmed via follow up questioning.

And yes, players have different contracts with different stipulations. The lawyers indicated that most LIV contracts require players to "pay back" the winnings until their signing bonus has been reached.

So since that's what we know, it's pretty safe to assume that the very top players (DJ, Phil, Cam, etc.) have different contracts but we don't know how different. We just don't know if they get to keep 100%, 50%, or whatever. But we do know that the majority have to pay it all back.

So yes, Gooch won $4MM in the individual portion of the event. But since he's a typical player, he's got to pay back his winnings until he hits his signing bonus. Of course we don't know what that signing bonus was. If it was $25MM, he's paying every cent of that $4MM back.

We also know that LIV paid all expenses last year for players, caddies, and paid the caddy wage as well. This year they aren't paying for the caddies travel and a few other things I can't recall without research. So they've definitely cut back on expenses this year compared to last.

As far as laid back goes, it's golf, I pay attention. Music on the range, wearing shorts, team concept, and especially most players having no financial skin in the game all leads to a more laid back environment. Coming down the stretch of a tight event is still going to have some drama but it's not near the big deal it is week to week on the PGA Tour.

Hey, I don't fault some of the guys for taking the bag. Some are straightforward and admit they did it solely for the money, and that's fine. And they understand they've burned a bridge with the PGA Tour, sponsors, and many fans. It's the guys that are two faced about it that I can't stand like DJ and Phil praising the PGA Tour or denouncing the Saudis and then taking the 9 figure bag.

Interesting. I didn’t read that. Link? All I had read was the 2-4x penalty of their bonus if they chose to break their contract, and that the team bonus that they all pocketed last year was now strictly going to the team franchise moving forward to build it as a brand a sponsor wants to buy.

I had definitely heard the spending spree of last year was over. I can’t blame them. They obviously spent a lot for this weekend hosting this and got everything they could have hoped for. How anybody could have this on and the Zurich and wish LIV would just go away on snooze fest weekends like what the PGA Tour just hosted is beyond way. LIV Adelaide was 100x more interesting and fun.

This is where having knowledge of the PGA Tour workings is helpful.

Any PGA Tour member cannot play in an event on any tour opposite a PGA Tour event without a release. When a player participates in a DP World Tour event for example, they are required to get a release from the PGA Tour in order to do so. But there is a limit on the number of exemptions a player can receive, it might be as little as 1 per year.

So no, the PGA did not draw this line. It was already set in stone. LIV players were warned of the rules and the consequences of breaking them. The players were not banned until they teed off in the first LIV event, thereby breaching their contract with the PGA Tour and the tour reacted accordingly.

To repeat what has been said millions of times before, anything Trump touches, he destroys.
LIV will never catch on because it was MAGAtized by the nyc conman.

Yeah, the above came out this year. Here's a link about the purse money when the legal proceedings were going on. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv...er-prize-money

Cliffs is that a lawyer stated such in court and LIV publicly denies(outside of court) it's true.

Honestly, given a choice between watching The Zurich and watching LIV this week, I'd choose LIV although I watched neither. I'm just not into the team thing, feels manufactured and unnecessary. But I'd watch any other PGA Tour event over LIV. The guys struggling to keep their card is a big draw for a guy like me.

If fans were chanting Let's Go Brandon at Harbor Town (or anywhere) then I would denounce that as well. The difference is that no politicians or course owners were in attendance leading the chant.

LOL that’s a pathetic take dude. You sound batchit crazy turning to that. Stay on topic of LIV this weekend and how if it can produce weeks like this moving forward what it means for future network deals and viewership, and chance for success.

I believe that they’re so heavily focused on it because it’s the biggest and only thing that differentiates them from the PGA Tour that everybody is used to. The team aspect is their best shot to not just be like the WCW that stole all the guys from the WWF and tried to run the same league.

It’s pretty obvious (to me at least) that they’re trying to be like F1. The leaderboard on the left and the way it updates is exactly the same. The podium celebration and team thing is exactly the same. But that’s what the business model is. They’re hoping to build the teams up to worth 100 million each where a sponsor wants to buy them completely. Then they make their money. Maybe it works maybe it doesn’t. Can’t fault somebody for trying something new and interesting. Fans that attend seem to love it.

ESPN is starting to update LIV more regularly. CBS obviously says nothing on their homepage. Maybe they get on with ESPN or Skysports, FS1 or something better. It’s a welcomed joy of golf vs a dud like the Zurich.

B2B weeks where LIV should be the better tourney.

https://twitter.com/MColorusso/statu...606565888?s=20

Without question they're copying F1 in several regards. But I don't think Red Bull or Mercedes is close to sponsoring a team at present. They also would be smart to totally redo their webpage, it's pretty crappy.

ESPN has been decent in reporting LIV goings on since the beginning, but the Golf Channel seems to have upped their coverage a small amount although they don't(and probably won't) have the LIV events on their scores page.

Interestingly enough, in digging out the link for you, I discovered that Talor Gooch's contract was one of the ones the lawyers used during discovery. While nothing was mentioned about him keeping the purse money, it was revealed that he signed a two year contract that ends in 2023. With him now being a LIV winner, it might be interesting to see what he's offered going forward. Also, if some contracts are expiring at year's end, some players might start to put out feelers to the PGA Tour to see what the process would be if they wanted to return.

There are no future network deals forthcoming.
Viewership, that's a good one.
LIV will never be successful, it's been touched by Trump and his MAGAts.
Everything Trump touches, he destroys, LIV will continue this trumpercide streak.

Dude you sound beyond fkn pathetic and completely obsessed with Trump. If you have anything to say about the business model and players of what LIV is trying to do then by all means discuss.

Dude, except the facts.
Trump destroyed the LIV golf tour.
It's all over. Finito!!

Yeah look one has to ask what their market is? You can understand the IPL selling itself as a premium cricketing competition as India are cricket fanatics and that is basically their only sport or primary one at least but who is LIV for? All international audiences - maybe but it is less clear.

Everybody is my understanding. Tiger said back in February that the players on the PGA Tour have to play more more internationally than they do and go to markets where they currently don’t that golf is embraced (see Australia this past weekend and how starved they were). Some (definitely not all) PGA players go to the HSBC Hong Kong and that’s it. They won’t play in Asia again until next year. Some (not all) go to the Abu Dhabi Championship, or Dubai Desert Classic, Saudi International. Those 3 are it. Outside of that none of them play anywhere other than the US.

LIV is going to places untapped by the PGA Tour, and bringing better players and a new league vs the DP World Tour when they go to these places. Greg Norman pointed out before the Adelaide event that over 65% of all new golf courses are being built in Asia now. The PGA Tour is never there. That’s why they’re in Singapore this week as part of their schedule I guess. But again if they don’t make a significant dent in the US then you can kiss the worldwide approach goodbye.