I guess if you figure giving PGA Tour players a bunch of money helps LIV, but that isn't the case. It's probably closer to the opposite.

Whomever they got to replace Monahan would likely have been a temp, and he/she would have been gun shy from the start. I would give them at least 6 months to find a permanent replacement, and who knows what would happen in the interim.

court case update

Greg Norman: zero

Jay Monahan: 2

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Judge dismisses Patrick Reed's defamation lawsuit vs. Golf Channel

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id...s-golf-channel

I'll just put the Aus PGA in here but extremely tough conditions today and will be again tomorrow with the heat and wind - be interesting to see what Lee can shoot tomorrow but expect Cam Smith to win still

more and more pressure being put on Greg Norman to step aside

but he won't do the right thing. as a narcissistic, he won't be able to

I don't understand why the Tour is suddenly focused on getting Norman to step aside. For one, would they have ever really engaged with LIV if someone else was running it? Secondly, why would they want Norman to be replaced by someone competent? I get that they hate him but he's kind of their best friend.

that quote is from TW not the Tour

i think we know how the Tour feels

The PGA tour and Monahan have drawn pretty firm lines in the sand and have said no player that left is welcome back. I do not think LIV cares one bit about what Tiger, Rory and company have to say about who heads their tour.

How is Norman a narcissist because he won't step aside? He's not the one banning players from playing certain events or from obtaining world ranking points.

It's not because he won't step aside, his narcissistic behavior goes back decades. But this photo he posted on Instagram is exhibit A:

So The Masters has announced all golfers that have qualified will get to play. Good News for 15 LIV Golfers

May be some drama with some golfers

Lol at thinking the Masters was ever going to go against tradition and not invite past champions because the PGA tour now has competition.

I didnt think they would and do not think any Major should change their rules. Many LIV golfers will only qualify as past Champions and that is it. Im good with that also

Media acting like this is some LIV victory. I never thought the Masters would change the rules and ban LIV players.

I think the only question was would the OWG ranking system screw LIV players, and it still does, and it is fine by me. Unless you are a past champion or otherwise have an exemption there is no path for a LIV player to climb the OWG rankings and get in.

Hardly a victory for LIV..

I didn't know for sure what they would do, but I thought there was a strong chance they wouldn't invite the LIV players. I guess I was an outlier there.

It certainly helps LIV to have their players play alongside the PGA Tour pros, and will help more if one of their players wins. Long term I'm not sure it will make a difference for where they end up though.

There's those shifting goal posts again. Posters wrote in this forum that they hoped the Master's did the right thing and banned LIV golfers. They claimed it was the last hope after the Opens didn't stop them from playing. LIV golfers will earn points via other majors they qualify for and other events. I'd also assume eventually LIV gets world ranking points.

Oosthuizen barely qualified (he started 2022 tenth in the OWGR and is currently 49th) and is lucky to be in the field come April

Paul Casey is not so lucky. He started 2022 28th in the OWGR. His decision to play in a league not acknowledged by the OWGR has cost him a spot in this year's Masters (as his current OWGR is #57)

Marc Leishman is another victim of the LIV-curse (started 2022 36th, is now 82nd)

Richard Bland is a relevant test case. Started the season ranked 74th but never gave himself a fighting chance by electing to play on a tour with no TV contract and no route to OWGR points

These are real professional hardships being experienced by LIVtards today. It's only going to get worse because **newsflash** the exhibition league doesn't come close to meeting the rigorous qualification process set forth by the OWGR. And the OWGR isn't going to bend over backwards to accommodate LIV. Why would they? They would catch hell from the many professional golf tours across the globe that ... wait for it ... played by the rules

It's only going to get worse too as the three other majors have 'qualified if in the top 50 of the OWGR on XYZ date' dates later in the 2023 calendar. Kevin Na (currently 48th) will be the next man down, Kokrak (currently 46th) will be a casualty on the battlefield of LIV, HV3 (currently 44th) will soon need a medic and triage, Gooch (currently 40th) is a dead man walking, etc., etc.

The OWGR falls of the LIV 'name players' are hilarious really (started 2022/currently):

Brybaby: (5 / 65)
Brooksy: (16 / 51)
DJ: (3 / 41)
Lefty: (33 / 209)
Reed: (25 / 70)
El Nino: (45 / 112)

many of us itt predicted just this. others itt stuck their head in the ground and said things would work out differently

actually, now that we have concrete examples of LIVtards missing out on majors bc of their decision to partner w MBS it's time for an update:

Monahan: 3

Norman: 0

I doubt it . The only way anything changes is with the departure of Greg Norman

I wouldnt be shocked if the Saudi's just pull the plug after another year.

Will see how many more players depart to the LIV as well. Better get paid up front is all I would say

Another aspect of WGR points is that even if they decide to grudgingly award some points, say towards the end of 2023, the fields will by then, be full of 50-150 ranked players making it virtually impossible to return to a high ranking.

Lol explain to me why this matters?

I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of things happened, doesn't mean they will. I highly doubt this happens though.

Why would you say that?

i'm sure lozen will reply, but my 2 cents

If you don’t know why Greggy is a problem in addition to being a terrible operator then you aren’t serious about any of this

I think you answered it just perfectly.

John Ourand is famous for his year end predictions for sports media in the following year. he predicts this about LIV



https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Jo...rts-media.aspx

WTF is the CW network?

Tell me why? A few articles saying he needs to step down means nothing. What difference does it make? If Norman steps down what changes? He did recruit 2 of the top 3 players in the world and a year ago nobody thought this was even possible, so what makes him a terrible operator?

The "Norman needs to step down to make progress" is just another anti-LIV talking point being repeated. None of you can say why or what changes if he does.