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07-30-2014 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by saw7988
There seems to be two separate issues going on here imo.

1. You seem to be saying that breaking the "rules" makes the sport worse. If so, you really still have not articulated why. IMO, the "rules" are just a tool used to cause a certain style of gameplay. Forget the fact that the "rules" say not to foul (100% irrelevant IMO, as I'm trying to explain) - if you think there should actually be less fouling, then sure, the rules need to be changed to cause a corresponding change in game play. But why should there necessarily be less fouling? Obviously because it's not part of the "rules" is a fundamentally flawed answer here. I feel like I'm talking in circles; if my point isn't clear then I'm not sure how to say this better.

2. 2nd issue is how detrimental foul penalties are to the offender. Now that I've typed out #1, this seems more closely related than I initially thought. You obviously think there should be less fouling for some currently unknown reason. Given this, then yea in order for that to happen, penalties need to be stricter, of course. Additionally, I don't think you're seeing the association with the scoring frequency. If hypothetically the teams score on every possession, and fouling results in change of possession, then that's a good penalty.

BTW the nit level of this topic is awesome. @ everyone who doesn't like it: SMD.

But really I just don't have a lot of work to do right now. Been crushing nutrition forums.
A) because it encourages play contradictory to the spirit of the game / skills (ie basketball should be about passing shooting etc and not relying on a soft penalty so you can make an illegal play to compensate for not being able to make a play outright) / etc
B) from a games perspective, a game where you can often break the rules and get away with it probably sucks
07-30-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by skeletor121
Seems like that would be just as interesting as the b-ball rules talk.
That's the joke
07-30-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
A) because it encourages play contradictory to the spirit of the game / skills (ie basketball should be about passing shooting etc and not relying on a soft penalty so you can make an illegal play to compensate for not being able to make a play outright) / etc
B) from a games perspective, a game where you can often break the rules and get away with it probably sucks
Re A - in football if a corner is out of position and hacks a receiver the receiver gets the yardage on pass interference. In basketball if a defender can't block a layup he can hack the shooter and nothing happens unless it's already happened 5 times and the guy still has to drain two free throws to break even.
07-30-2014 , 11:38 AM
I by no means think basketball is a perfect sport, but I think the idea of having a play style not 100% tied exactly to the rule book is totally fine. It's like speed limits. If they wanted people to drive 65 on the highway, they would either put the speed limit as 55 or care more about going 10 mph over. Not saying that's a system we should be aspiring towards, I'm just saying it's a system that does a good job of accomplishing something specific in a roundabout way.

Your main point also seems contradictory. I think you're referring to say driving to the hoop looking for a foul instead of making a good offensive play. Shouldn't the penalty for the foul then be LESS (in order to dissuade the offense from relying on it)? Personally I've always felt this way - that if they gave the defense a bit more leeway, maybe we'd see better and more creative play calling from offenses.
07-30-2014 , 11:46 AM
This discussion is awful.

btm,

Any super hot girls who give the best blowjobs ever who just want to do it too often, or other similar life problems, lately?
07-30-2014 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fabian
This discussion is awful.

btm,

Any super hot girls who give the best blowjobs ever who just want to do it too often, or other similar life problems, lately?
Nah, she's good. I still see BJQueen regularly as she is the lowest of low maintenance girls imaginable. All other girls have been tossed out the window and I'm trying to go on fewer first dates.

I only went on 2 first dates in July! One was megateds at the beginning of July and she turned out to be a nutcase. The 2nd was 2 days ago and she was pretty cool. May see next week.

Lots of other girls up in the air that I'm talking to but nothing substantial to report.
07-30-2014 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by saw7988
I by no means think basketball is a perfect sport, but I think the idea of having a play style not 100% tied exactly to the rule book is totally fine. It's like speed limits. If they wanted people to drive 65 on the highway, they would either put the speed limit as 55 or care more about going 10 mph over. Not saying that's a system we should be aspiring towards, I'm just saying it's a system that does a good job of accomplishing something specific in a roundabout way.

Your main point also seems contradictory. I think you're referring to say driving to the hoop looking for a foul instead of making a good offensive play. Shouldn't the penalty for the foul then be LESS (in order to dissuade the offense from relying on it)? Personally I've always felt this way - that if they gave the defense a bit more leeway, maybe we'd see better and more creative play calling from offenses.
Well I don't really know enough to say if offensive players have the ability to generate fouls. I thought those generally became offensive fouls. My point is mainly wrt defensive fouls anyway. I don't think any players rely on drawing a defensive foul because they can't make a layup or whatever.
07-30-2014 , 11:57 AM
For the record not saying it should be more or less strict, its just stupid as is.
07-30-2014 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
Re A - in football if a corner is out of position and hacks a receiver the receiver gets the yardage on pass interference. In basketball if a defender can't block a layup he can hack the shooter and nothing happens unless it's already happened 5 times and the guy still has to drain two free throws to break even.
The EV of the play without the foul in both cases is probably close to the result of the foul. In football the receiver could score a TD or at least get extra yards - he's given the minimum number of yards.
07-30-2014 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by milesdyson
The EV of the play without the foul in both cases is probably close to the result of the foul. In football the receiver could score a TD or at least get extra yards - he's given the minimum number of yards.
That's still miles better than free throws though wrt the edge the defender gets by making the infraction. Receiver also doesn't get the chance to drop the ball etc.
07-30-2014 , 12:22 PM
there's a lot of extra EV for the offense per foul you aren't accounting for here bixby. Yes, fouls at the rim are often +EV for the defense for that particular play (though soft fouls on good players end up being -EV due to 3pt play value), but getting defenses in the bonus, getting fouls on rim protectors, etc become huge advantages for the offense in the long run.
07-30-2014 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nuggetz87
steak. it's a girly filet because lol girls but still fantastic.


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Originally Posted by allinontheturn
- "Oh, you know him irl and he seems really, cool nice & fun?"
- "Yeah - he's a tall & looks like he even lifts also!"
- "Listen it sounds good and you I know we're friends & trust your judgement buuuuut I think I'm gonna have to see pics of him and the stuff he posts on Facebook to make himself seem fun & interesting first."
- "Of ****ing course you do."

It worries me that women do this because a) it makes them seem vapid and b) I act like a jackass on Facebook - or at minimum my virtual Facebook persona is not meticulously cared for.
Think youre reading way too far into this. Girl in his building has a single friend, she knows BTM is single and thinks he is cute and is a normal person. Friends him on FB so she can show her friend. Doubt her friend had to ask for it first and think its pretty common to want to see the person you are being set up with.
07-30-2014 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
Re A - in football if a corner is out of position and hacks a receiver the receiver gets the yardage on pass interference. In basketball if a defender can't block a layup he can hack the shooter and nothing happens unless it's already happened 5 times and the guy still has to drain two free throws to break even.
This is incorrect. If you foul when the person is shooting you get free throws automatically. The team foul count comes in to play on non-shooting fouls.
07-30-2014 , 01:31 PM
It's easy to not understand and irrationally hate rules for a sport you don't like. But arguing about it ITT is not forgiveable. Where is the AidanBanHammer coming down on Bixby?
07-30-2014 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Picasso
Think youre reading way too far into this.
That seems highly unlikely ...

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07-30-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by allinontheturn
That seems highly unlikely ...
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07-30-2014 , 01:56 PM
Oh man, George of the jungle throwback
07-30-2014 , 02:34 PM
FYI Chicago is GOAT city. All hail DT. Btw DT let me know if you wanna get beers.
07-30-2014 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
FYI Chicago is GOAT city. All hail DT. Btw DT let me know if you wanna get beers.
Your recent assessments ITT tell me all I need to know about how seriously this claim needs to be taken.
07-30-2014 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bixby snyder
FYI Chicago is GOAT city. All hail DT. Btw DT let me know if you wanna get beers.
PM me when you go to Revolution or if you know when you're going and I'll try to make it.
07-30-2014 , 03:37 PM
Chicago is an urban death maze. I turned down a six figure job offer from DT to manage his diamond mine because I would have had to relocate there.
07-30-2014 , 03:47 PM
Does the 6 figure offer include decimal places? Asking for a friend.
07-30-2014 , 03:50 PM
no, but it was in Roubles
07-30-2014 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by downtown
PM me when you go to Revolution or if you know when you're going and I'll try to make it.
CrunchyBlack can't watch or he has to pay extra.
07-30-2014 , 04:26 PM
Not Francs?

      
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