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02-16-2011 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lasthand man
would love to hear some feed back on my stats. Leaks are obv there so even with such a low sample size i figure they should be visible to someone who knows what they are looking for.




Thanks
I think you are taking second best hands to SD too often, you might also be checking/pot controling the best hand too often.

You are also cold calling more from EP than LP, stop that imo.

Filter hands by PFR and WTSD. Could you have value bet some hands more and could you have folded hands to villains raises ?
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02-16-2011 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ginger78
Here are my stats for 50k hands of NL5 FR @ Stars.

Not sure about WR from CO + BTN.

Any comments on that and any other leaks is highly appreciated.
Thanks!




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any comments?
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02-16-2011 , 07:55 AM
@ginger

Can't say what's wrong, the stats look pretty good. But your wr from the CO/BTN should be much higher. My wr this year from CO/BTN is 36/26 with a couple of nasty coolers OTB.

Your problem is in the post flop play imo and you need to look into those hands. You might not be value betting your good hands or folding the best hand too often.

Can you post the Hand Groupings report sorted by WR (bb/100) and the flop hand strength report?

On the position report you could also filter for hands from CO/BTN and start taking out starting hands and see if your wr increases when you take out a specific type of hand like small SC or low PP and so forth. If your wr suddenly becomes higher after taking out some hands then you've found a problem.

SB/BB looks good.
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02-16-2011 , 01:01 PM
This is an awesome start!!!!!!!!!! Thanks guys!!!!!! I will get started with this stuff....sure more questions to come!!!!!!
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02-16-2011 , 02:42 PM
I am just starting to tear through the beginning of this thread to start to really understand HUD and reporting stats. I notice that in the beginning of the thread a lot of the conversation is geared towards cash game players. Is it safe to assume that a lot of the conversation can be applied to sng and mtt players as well?

I guess what I am trying to avoid is incorporating cash game stats info into my sng/mtt players world accidentally. This question might have been answered somewhere in the thread, but I am just starting from the beginning.

Just out of curiosity while I have you all....does anyone know of folks that are not only sick players, but also super gifted with HUD and HEM overall for mtt players that does coaching? Someone that is really cream of the crop when it comes to PT or HEM data. I am an advanced player and HUD user and looking for a super advanced coach in this area. I am aware of all the coaching threads out there, but I am not looking for just a coach, as much as a tracking software specialist for advanced players.

Thanks!
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02-16-2011 , 03:34 PM
Polar Bears: This is the statistics thread in the Micro Limits cash game forum. So it is geared towards cash games, in particular NL Holdem with stacks of at least 100bb.

Optimal stats for tournaments are probably a lot different, unless you consider the early stages where you have really deep stacks.
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02-16-2011 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
Polar Bears: This is the statistics thread in the Micro Limits cash game forum. So it is geared towards cash games, in particular NL Holdem with stacks of at least 100bb.

Optimal stats for tournaments are probably a lot different, unless you consider the early stages where you have really deep stacks.
Anyone aware of a thread or area that is geared towards MTT stats?
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02-16-2011 , 03:55 PM
The menu on the left has an entry called "Tournament poker".
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02-17-2011 , 04:48 AM
First time doing this. Could anyone possibly look at some of my stats and tell me any big mistakes I am doing or changes I should do.

Thank you





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02-17-2011 , 04:49 AM
someone analyze my stats plz, my bb/sb atleast

last 14k hands:

sb: -$67.68/-14.45bb/100, 15.6/11.8 vpip & pfr,

bb: -$261.56/-$55.27bb/100, 8.4/3.7 vpip & pfr

^^how standard is that from the sb/bb and what is optimal and anyway i can ever have a positive sb/bb winning??
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02-17-2011 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by allovaurface
First time doing this. Could anyone possibly look at some of my stats and tell me any big mistakes I am doing or changes I should do.

Thank you





I think your problem is blind play. 25/3 and 12/2.6 from the SB/BB does not look good. Looking at your w$wsf from the blinds it looks like you are limping pre and folding a lot post flop. Start folding more from the blinds and raise your strongest hands, call with hands like QJ, KT vs a CO/BTN stealer with a high steal%.

Don't know if this is a leak, but you have a higher turn cbet than flop cbet. filter for PFR=true turn cbet made=true and check your winrate.

I would also raise more rather than cc OTB, you only play 16% of the hands and have position.
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02-17-2011 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pele02
@ginger

Can't say what's wrong, the stats look pretty good. But your wr from the CO/BTN should be much higher. My wr this year from CO/BTN is 36/26 with a couple of nasty coolers OTB.

Your problem is in the post flop play imo and you need to look into those hands. You might not be value betting your good hands or folding the best hand too often.

Can you post the Hand Groupings report sorted by WR (bb/100) and the flop hand strength report?

On the position report you could also filter for hands from CO/BTN and start taking out starting hands and see if your wr increases when you take out a specific type of hand like small SC or low PP and so forth. If your wr suddenly becomes higher after taking out some hands then you've found a problem.

SB/BB looks good.
Thanks for taking the time to analyse this.

Here are the requested reports:







Also did take out some starting hands. Seems like I have a small problem with 77 -TT and QQ. But nothing major which explains the low wr from CO/BTN.

Any help is much appreciated!
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02-17-2011 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
someone analyze my stats plz, my bb/sb atleast

last 14k hands:

sb: -$67.68/-14.45bb/100, 15.6/11.8 vpip & pfr,

bb: -$261.56/-$55.27bb/100, 8.4/3.7 vpip & pfr

^^how standard is that from the sb/bb and what is optimal and anyway i can ever have a positive sb/bb winning??
4k posts, seems like you would have read something about this by now.

do the math, it's fairly simple. if you fold every time regardless of your hand, sb/bb loss rate will be -50bb/100 and -100bb/100. doing better than that is good, doing worse is a huge leak. you basically will never make money from the blinds over a large sample but you can minimize your loss rate, which is essentially the same as increasing your win rate.
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02-17-2011 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by *COINFLIPS*
4k posts, seems like you would have read something about this by now.

do the math, it's fairly simple. if you fold every time regardless of your hand, sb/bb loss rate will be -50bb/100 and -100bb/100. doing better than that is good, doing worse is a huge leak. you basically will never make money from the blinds over a large sample but you can minimize your loss rate, which is essentially the same as increasing your win rate.
maybe I am wrong here, but that seems wrong. If we are playing full ring and assume that we see the BB 1 in every 8 hands that means we are paying 1bb/8 or 12.5BB/100

So if we folded every single time we were in the big blind we only lose 12.5BB/100...... right?
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02-17-2011 , 12:13 PM
We lose 50BB for every 100 times that we are in the big blind... so our winrate for this position is -50BB/100.
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02-17-2011 , 12:18 PM
4. Defending the blinds. Click on "Turn Filter Off," and then click on "Filters..." again. Under "Blind Status" click on "Either Blind." Now under "Vol. Put $ In Pot" click on "Put Money In." This shows you if you're bleeding money out of the blinds. A "BB/Hand" of about -0.375 would indicate that you were no better off putting money into the pot than if you had folded. If your "BB/Hand" is larger than that, then you typically win back some of your blind money when you put money into the pot from the blinds. That's all you can really hope for. If you click on "Filters..." again and go under "Steal Attempted Against Your Blind" and click on "Steal Attempted." After you click "OK" you'll now see how you did when you chose to defend against a blind steal. Again, the magic number is for your "BB/Hand" to be bigger than -0.375; that means you're making back some of your blinds when you try to defend against a steal. If either of these numbers is lower than -0.375, you'd lose less money by always folding rather than doing what you're doing.
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02-17-2011 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pele02
I think you are taking second best hands to SD too often, you might also be checking/pot controling the best hand too often.

You are also cold calling more from EP than LP, stop that imo.

Filter hands by PFR and WTSD. Could you have value bet some hands more and could you have folded hands to villains raises ?
just tried to filter hands but coming up with the same results as if i didn't? Pretty new to pt3.

Your def. right about pot controling. I rarly bet on the river without a pretty damn good hand for fear of being bet off or having to call a huge raise.(have recently read alot about value betting) Thanks for the imput.

Any ideas about how to filter?(Couldn't find wtsd anywhere)
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02-17-2011 , 02:03 PM
-.375 BB/hand = -75bb/100 hands

which is the average of -50bb/100 and -100bb/100
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02-17-2011 , 02:15 PM
yup, I see where I was getting messed up. So to work further on what exo was asking. What is an optimal winrate from the blinds? I mean, obviously anything better than -.75 is great, but that should not be optimal.

For example I am beating the blinds for a pretty decent amount of money, but I am also hellabad from the blinds as far as stat distribution is concerned. Sample is likely one thing in my case, but anyways. Is there some posts alluding to optimal play/winrate from the blinds?
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02-17-2011 , 02:17 PM
pretty sure -3.50bb/100 is the mathematically proven minimum loss rate from the BB.
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02-17-2011 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pele02
I think your problem is blind play. 25/3 and 12/2.6 from the SB/BB does not look good. Looking at your w$wsf from the blinds it looks like you are limping pre and folding a lot post flop. Start folding more from the blinds and raise your strongest hands, call with hands like QJ, KT vs a CO/BTN stealer with a high steal%.

Don't know if this is a leak, but you have a higher turn cbet than flop cbet. filter for PFR=true turn cbet made=true and check your winrate.

I would also raise more rather than cc OTB, you only play 16% of the hands and have position.
thank you for the advice. I dont play around with filtering so where could I find the PFR=true turn cbet made=true to check my winrate
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02-17-2011 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lasthand man
just tried to filter hands but coming up with the same results as if i didn't? Pretty new to pt3.

Your def. right about pot controling. I rarly bet on the river without a pretty damn good hand for fear of being bet off or having to call a huge raise.(have recently read alot about value betting) Thanks for the imput.

Any ideas about how to filter?(Couldn't find wtsd anywhere)
Actions - Preflop - Any raise
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Misc - Results - Went to showdown
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02-17-2011 , 03:42 PM
wow -3.50bb/100... so what steps can one take as a fr player to lose less/win more from the blinds... is it a 3betting thing or?, defending with hands and not playing fit/fold post or both or cause i dont really 3bet too light out of the blinds, that means i should be upping that vs certain players?
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02-17-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
Actions - Preflop - Any raise
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Misc - Results - Went to showdown
For some reason i still get 15,106 hands!
Don't know what i am doing wrong I am checking pokerstars..5nl...preflop any raise...results-went to show down and apply. it tells me the same # of hands if i just hit pokerstars and 5 nl. I have even tried adding those options to and existing filter for 5nl but nothing.

P.s -sorry if question should be in another tread
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02-17-2011 , 04:45 PM
For some reason the filtering doesn't work well on the General - Player Summary pane. Have a look at the Positional Statistics tab.
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