@ bolt,

Did you take a print screen of your information? Sorry if this isn't addressing your problem, but google computer print screen or something similar to get the image. You then want to upload it onto a free photo website like photobucket. The copy the url and put it in [ img ] url [ /img ] without the spaces in the code.

@ Dr Scoob -

Alot of the money you pick up in the micros should be in smallish pots. Try opening your game up from late position, from the HJ to Button seats. I would be attempting to steal the blinds about 40% of the time. Pay attention to the people who will be in the blinds when you are going to be in late position, as these will be people you can exploit.

Look at a persons VPIP and Fold to Cbet stats, if their VPIP is something ridiculously high like 30%, you know they are playing some trashy hands that a bet or two might take them off of- your cards really don't matter if your just trying to steal the pot. Many players play wayyy to loose from the blinds, and when they have bad cards and are out of position to you, this is the exact scenario we are looking for.

Do they call too much / fold too much / etc.

For how tight your playing, you're not winning often enough when you go to the flop.

For example, I open raise about 2x as many hands as you PF and win around 46% of the hands I take to the flop.

Personally, I would look into getting a better hud setup and researching how you can use the stats pt3 offers to characterize and play optimally against your competition. Try reading a book by Dan Harrington on 6-max online cash games - note , you don't need to play 6 max to learn from his chapter on setting up your hud, the information is universal.

Thank you very much!

thanks pocket4skin!

ok, so i am in desperate need of some help here... how many hands is a good enough size to give you an idea of how you are doing? Really appreciate all the analysis for this...

trying my best to tighten up b/c i heard that's what you are supposed to down on a downswing, if you can call it that.

edit 2: should mention this is at $.10/.25 FR NLHE

@Bolt

Your statistics land you in the category of weak tight. Although you don't play many hands, you tend to play them passively, and by my guess are only really taking the initiative when you feel you have a lock on the hand.

Your VPIP and PFR should be about 3% points from eachother... So if your only playing 13% of your hands, you should be raising about 10%, not 6%. Your also not taking enough of an advantage of position... You can start opening for a raise with many more hands as you near the button.

Don't limp, good players will see this tendency, take notes on what you limp with and how you play different hands connecting with the flop, and run you over, while rarely paying you off if your limping small pairs and hitting sets, etc.

When you have position on a player who opened the pot preflop before you, consider raising his bet or folding more. Initiative wins more pots than cards, as most hands don't go to showdown.

I'm also guessing by your low Went to showdown statistic and high won $ at showdown, that you are probably folding too much, and perceptive villains will be able to bluff you off of alot of marginal hands. This fact isn't a license to take trash hands to the river though, it really depends on who is putting pressure on you and what they are representing.

For now, just primarily focus on raising with your preflop opening range, don't limp, flat call less, and steal the blinds about 2x more than you are currently attempting.

Also, include your "positional stats" and graph if possible.

Make sure you read mpethy's original post on this thread as well, it will help to understand some of the concepts and how these stats translate.

I'm posting a graph of my last 30k hands, where I think I've developed a fairly optimal playing style for 25nl, although I think I might still be folding to a few too many 3bets.

@bolt, about 5 months ago, my stats resembled your figures more or less than they do the following graph. If you can learn to put a little balance in your game, the good players won't be able to take advantage of you as much as they are now.

thanks a lot pocket. i sort have had a feeling i was playing weak tight... i will try and do everything you said to. very impressive graph, hopefully mine will eventually look like that.

Also, I was buying in for the min $10 mass tabling, trying to basically mimic this one guy's ptr i saw; he is a supernova and he always buys in for $10...

http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...-search/w2tamm

I know shortstacking is sort of frowned upon, but if he can make $4k / have a BB of 1.5, then I don't see what's so bad about it.

Also, I have a weird tendency to just flat call (as you said) and not 3 bet enough. Over the next few sessions, I will try to do what you said, basically raising / 3 betting more and not flatting, and have a looser showdown value (if that makes sense), and steal dem blinds.

Thanks again for the help, will keep ya posted after a few more sessions

edit: graphs (can't get the position one to work?)

Well I'm glad you play on stars, because making a short stackers life easier on my tables would be the bane of my existence.

Seriously though, I would recommend dropping a limit and playing full buy-ins. Poker doesn't begin IMO until players have 100bbs in cash games.

alrighty ill give it a go at $.05/.10 FR, 24 tabling for an hour or so and post the results after.

my all in ev graph is depressing me right now lol, theres like a $120 difference between net expected won and amount won (trying not to be results oriented tho, long term plays ftw)

i just played a quick session (still shortstacking bc i hadnt read yer post) and really tried to steal blinds and just always be the opener / 3 bet. my avg vp/pr per table was like 14/14 or 14/12, and even though it was only about 1320 hands, it still felt good. I actually lost 4 buy ins, but each time I got it in I was ahead so I'm not that worried. Trying not to be results oriented

That is really all that matters. Poker is a lifelong game. I'm running horrible this week on EV, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still motivated by making good decisions. When that stops, its time to take a break and let the tilt subside.

played a bit of $10nlhe fr but just wasnt there psychologically i guess. I think I'll go back to $25nlhe fr, cut the tables down by half to 12 and just double my buy in amount to $20. The last part of my graph is awful for all in net expected won and amount won, (like $180 diff i think), so I really just want to play a lot more hands and hopefully ride out the downswing.

I didn't play a lot this month (<15k hands) but I've been noticing these shapes in my winrate. The bigger ones are in light blue but you can definitely see tinier ones too, colored in dark blue. I think that this is tilt, since it seems like I spew, fight the spew, and win again, but I wanted to check with the more knowledgeable stat junkies first.



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Remember also that: It is much easier to play when your not thinking about money won or money lost, whether you got your money in good or bad, but that you made the best decision given the information you had on the hand.

It is going to be difficult to play optimally in every given circumstance 24 tabling, unless you are a f-ing phenom.

@ kbinferno

If I could read that many variables in a simple graph I would probably be playing the stock market instead of poker.

You would need to post individual hands in order to tell if the plays were spewing, variance, sh?t spots, coolers, etc.

thanks

I feel like I'm playing well, did a lot of the things you said and been getting the $ in good and picking up blinds a lot. Is it true that even winning players can have a 100k hand downswing? Also, I'm finding it frustrating looking at my all in ev graph, as I am riding about $160ish below ev at $25nlhe FR. Almost at 40k hands and not going great, but hopefully if I put in more volume and do the things you said, I'll be bi-winning in no time

edit: you mind me asking (pocket4skin) what your stars name is? Just so if we are at the same table:

a) i can avoid you
b) i can see how you pwn

I play FR Rush, no stars account as of yet. Have the BR now to move up to 50nl, but might wait til I'm up another $500 so that I can comfortably handle in the very unlikely circumstance of a 20 BI downswing. Also I think having a decent amount more than necessary makes the losses easier to deal with.

If I was playing regular FR instead of rush, I would be trying to play the players I'm sitting next to and adapt to table dynamics rather than operating on a predetermined style, which I think would be hard to do 24 tabling. I note take semi - religiously on the regs, color code, etc. which I think is highly necessary. I go through the 1-2k hands at the end of the session and take notes on what hands people are willing to stack off with, where they are bluffing, how they play sets in big pots, etc.

I think this is the best way to combat regs who rarely change gears, and makes the games much more pfrofitable when you know the playing styles of people you see day in and day out.

hey guys. Sorry if Im in the wrong thread.

I just got pokertracker 3 and have started using it online. I am looking for helpful information on how to use stats against the other players in cash games. I'm playinga round at 25nl for now. I have played poker for a very long time
This thread did have some helpful info but its 263 pages long, too much to read. Would there be a helpful sticky on 2 plus 2 someone could link me too. I have looked and search but there are alot of threads and stickies.

lol, thanks I'll review some of the hands during these periods.

@ David, if you have Teamviewer & Skype I'd be happy to help you. Otherwise just check the threads on pokertracker's website.

Thanks but I don t have teamviewer.

yea, I ll check the threads thanks

i guess this is as good as anywhere to post - i have a turn C bet of 59.7 a a success rate of 27.8. intuitively this seems a little low, and i feel like i might be picking the wrong spots to double barrel (as a bluff). just wondering how other people's turn C bet/ success rates look?

Hey so I've recently made the switch from 6-max to full ring, hence the small sample. I'm not really sure if I'm playing too loose, or sub optimally for full ring.

I would really appreciate it if someone would take a look at my stats, and advise me if there are any more that need posting. Thanks.

ok my thread was closed, so gonna post it here

played 12 tables last few days:

(sample is low, but hope it is enough to make a first view)

overall stats: 18/16 5% 3bet
stats are table based - if table is full of fish (50/10) my stats are 7/5, if table is 9/7 my stats are 20/18

i was playing ABC-poker a year ago at nl2... is just to nitty for me

so here is my style and potential leaks:
-i steal way to much imo (50%+) even from lags and fish
-cbet flop way to much (80%+) without knowing if i should or not
-cant resist to open ATC from LP if BU and blinds are nits
-tend to bet bet bet fish with TPGK or 2ndPTK
-tend to call down fish minbets with AK hi (if i am IP)
-fold everything to 3-bet except of KK+
-dont know how to use HUD right
-cant read boards well
-cant read hand range of a fish (atc?)
-start to playback a lot to fish who just sucked me out or bad beated me
-have no probles to lay down AA if a nit reraise my cbet on low flop

plz give me some advice how to improve

hey pocket, i also play 25 NL FR Rush. i have been a breakeven player for longer than i can bare and i am having a hard time improving my game. do you think you could take a look at my stats/game over teamviewer or skype?

Thank you very much for the detailed post. helped to see what to look for.