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01-26-2011 , 01:20 PM
Thanks Cangurino
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01-27-2011 , 01:21 PM
Hi, this is my first stats post, so please forgive any errors/omissions.

Firstly, I know that I am slightly short of the recommended 10 000 hands, but I am planning to move up in blinds in the next few days and was wondering whether there was anything I need to change.

I play 0.01/0.02 20BB buy in FR at Party.

Thanks

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01-27-2011 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Idiosyncra3y
Hi, this is my first stats post, so please forgive any errors/omissions.

Firstly, I know that I am slightly short of the recommended 10 000 hands, but I am planning to move up in blinds in the next few days and was wondering whether there was anything I need to change.

I play 0.01/0.02 20BB buy in FR at Party.

Thanks






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01-27-2011 , 01:30 PM
What is NL1??
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01-27-2011 , 01:37 PM
Sorry, forgot to insert the links.

Where is NL1?
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01-27-2011 , 01:55 PM
In the first image it says $0.02NL and $0.01NL... it just looked funny.
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01-27-2011 , 01:59 PM
Yeah, played one hand at 0.02/0.04 by mistake. Probably should have filtered that out to make it more clear
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01-27-2011 , 02:02 PM
But that's not what's showing up; .01/.02 NL is usually called NL2 or 0.02NL, so that's confusing.

About your question: Not many here are familiar with 20BB buy in games. Optimal play is probably quite a bit looser since the blinds are bigger in relation to the stacks. Is there a particular reason why you play the shallow games?
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01-27-2011 , 02:20 PM
Because I didn't have the roll to play the full buy ins; I started with 3$ before the sample. So, with the 22$ profit shown here, I have a total roll of 25$ which was my target before playing the full buy in tables.

Trying to keep less than 10% of my roll in play at a single table. Even now, playing 5 tables with 2$ buy in is 40% of my roll (8 at each table) which I am sure is not great management...

I am not too worried about in depth stats analysis - at these limits it is just abc poker and take from the fish - just want a general "tighten up", "protect blinds more" type of thing...

Thanks for the help so far
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01-27-2011 , 02:27 PM
For short stacks I'd say that you're a bit tight overall. Attempt to steal and 3bet should probably be higher. However, your approach works, your winrate is great if the small sample is indicative.

My advice would be to keep doing what you're doing, and consider switching to buying in full when your bankroll hits $40.

Your positional stats are confusing since they are sorted by amount won, not by position.
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01-27-2011 , 02:35 PM
Sorry, here is the fixed positional info.



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I was thinking of phasing in full from when I hit 25 - today, but will hold off for a bit.

Thanks for the help
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01-27-2011 , 03:52 PM
Oh, and I have realised what NL1 is - it is what poker tracker calls the 0.01/0.02 games with buy in of 40BB or less. NL2 is 0.01/0.02 with max 100BB.

Since I have been playing 40BB games, that is what shows up. All the calculations for BB/100 hands are still correct though. (uses BB - 0.02)
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01-27-2011 , 03:55 PM
Weird.
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01-27-2011 , 04:48 PM
when analysising your stats, should you filter out the big blind losses? because i can see a big difference
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01-27-2011 , 05:47 PM
Can somone help?


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01-28-2011 , 12:36 AM
Hello all!
My first post, but I've been a lurker over the last few months.
The information that can be found here is astonishing.

Any input on my 25NL/PL FR graphs and stats would be so much appreciated. I will try to do my part to contribute to the forums in the future.

This is my First 18k hands of 25NL/PL FR. I split my stats up into the first half and second half because I am really looking for input on what I have changed, what I might be doing worse in the second 9k hands vs the first 9k.

1st9k hands: 10.62 BB/100
2nd9k hands: -2.28 BB/100

I realize that a lot of this can simply be attributed to standard deviation, as I am well under my "All-in EV" for the 2nd9k hands. And I understand that a larger sample size is necessary. However, I feel like I may have adjusted badly and I am looking for input.

I'll start off with my own thoughts and partial self analysis:
Please critique my thoughts and/or my stats if you would.

Things that I feel like I've been doing in the 2nd9k that I maybe wasn't doing in the 1st9k:

1)
I find myself trying to adjust if I think that the villain is "playing against my numbers", like vs players that I have 200+ hands on, and they have decent VPIP/PFR, I assume that they prob have my numbers. And I may be going about adjusting to them the wrong way.

2)
If I'm in the blind and I see that the late PFR has like >10 PFR and/or >35 steal then I'm pretty much 3-bet-raise/folding all sorts of hands from the blinds and C-Betting all flops.

3)
If I raise from LP and get 3-bet from the blinds I'm sometimes 4-betting (without a premium) if their 3-bet% is >7, and we're deep-stacked enough. I may have accidentally gotten myself in in too deep to fold to the All-in 5 bet, or maybe I still should have folded and didn't. What odds should I be getting to call someone's All-in 5-bet with 68s? (= 68s vs 'AA KK QQ AK AKs' I guess) 3:1? Maybe when IP I should just be calling the 3-bet pre-flop, with the knowledge that their range is wider and playing it post-flop.


I think it looks like I need to calm down on 3-betting from the BB. A good part of my losses, during the second 9k hands, are from the BB.

I still look for a lot of spots to squeeze then c-bet. I just feel like I was more successful at it on the 1st9k.


I averaged 3.6 tabling during the 1st9k hands. I was almost always 4 tabling.

I averaged 6.2 tables during the 2nd9k and found myself able to play as many as 10. More than 8 tables and I felt like it was making my VPIP/PFR go down, and I have a hard time keeping track of my current image at each table. This is probably affecting my WR.

Please don’t hold back, say whatever you want. I’m sorry if posting my graphs and asking for input screams noob, but I really would like to hear what you guys think.

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01-28-2011 , 04:10 AM
Seebettor, I used to play your LAG style of poker, and I still do at really nitty tables. One thing I can say, is to play like this, you have to be really good postflop. You have to realize that people will be playing back at you, and your success depends on how you adjust to that. While people's ranges get wider against you when you know they've seen you raise, 3bet, cbet alot, you have to realize that they are also sitting back and waiting to get in pots with you their good hands.

Also, I think you should tighten up OOP. You can still play a 20/16, just focus more on MP and LP, and fold your 55, AJ, 89s in EP

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01-29-2011 , 10:37 AM
I think my W$WSF is to low.CBsuc 48% is it normal?

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01-29-2011 , 12:26 PM
i can't tell exactly, but your blind loss rates look acceptable. it looks like you are not winning enough from the CO/BTN. Those two positions should be - by far - your biggest winners.

judging by your stats and WWSF%, I'm guessing you play a very very straightforward nitty TAG game?
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01-30-2011 , 09:23 AM
Small sample but maybe you guys can catch something...really don't understand how my c/o and btn profit is lower than early and middle...could be just variance? First guess is my blind play looks horrible. What can I do there?




Last edited by rizeagainst; 01-30-2011 at 09:39 AM.
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01-30-2011 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Small sample but maybe you guys can catch something...really don't understand how my c/o and btn profit is lower than early and middle...could be just variance? First guess is my blind play looks horrible. What can I do there?



Double barrel more, looks like you are a one and done type player. Check out the excellent COTW thread about double barreling.

3bet more IP than OOP, now you have a higher 3bet from the blinds than the CO and BTN.
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01-30-2011 , 09:50 AM
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3bet more IP than OOP, now you have a higher 3bet from the blinds than the CO and BTN.
Hmmm, so do I.
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01-30-2011 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pele02
Double barrel more, looks like you are a one and done type player. Check out the excellent COTW thread about double barreling.

3bet more IP than OOP, now you have a higher 3bet from the blinds than the CO and BTN.
Thanks - is there a good number to shoot for on turn c-bet? Also, I honestly feel more comfortable 3betting from the blinds more than LP sometimes because so often it gets folded around to BTN and BTN basically autoraises w/ anything so I feel more comfortable 3betting in that situation w/ like KQ than say if someone opens in 2nd position and I have AK in the c/o and 3betting there. Is that bad?

Also, I feel like I am calling too much. Confirmed? I should call less and raise more yeah?

Last edited by rizeagainst; 01-30-2011 at 10:16 AM.
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