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11-06-2011 , 06:49 PM

#951

dkgojackets

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Quote:

Originally Posted by diskoteque

even if georgia wins out and beats LSU, do you truly believe boise's body of work is more impressive than a one-loss LSU/bama/OU/oregon/etc

winning one good game just isn't enough for me

you are again shifting the goalposts. the statement at hand is that if uga wins out and beats lsu then boise will have the best win of the season. imo it wouldnt be debateable unless oregon goes to stanford and wins by 3 TDs +.

it follows that it would also be really difficult to keep out the team who killed the winner of the best conference on the road (even though lsu and alabama are the two best teams this season)

11-06-2011 , 06:49 PM

#952

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Quote:

Originally Posted by diskoteque

even if georgia wins out and beats LSU, do you truly believe boise's body of work is more impressive than a one-loss LSU/bama/OU/oregon/etc

"Truly believe" does not matter to him. Somehow instead of arguing honestly he's far more interested in lawyering on behalf of a school he never went to. It's bizarre.

11-06-2011 , 06:53 PM

#953

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lol at thinking that if UGA beat LSU by some miracle, that Boise's win against UGA would somehow be better than LSU beating #2 Alabama (who won't lose again) on the road.

11-06-2011 , 06:55 PM

#954

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can someone actually address the point at hand and not turn it into a "body of work" argument which is a term I have never used, thanks

your ability to put up strawmen would make you an excellent politics poster

11-06-2011 , 06:58 PM

#955

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1. You have not left yourself in any position to criticize anyone else's argumentation style given the inherent level of honesty in yours.
2. My point did address exactly why that win over Georgia wouldn't possibly be as strong as you're making it out to be.

11-06-2011 , 07:00 PM

#956

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dkgojackets

i don't think it's difficult at all to keep them out. sure, it'll be the "win of the year" (i'll agree to this for argument's sake but i'm not sure i agree) but the other schools' complete body of works is simply more impressive.

you know all those so-so wins against teams like florida, penn st, usc, kansas state, texas A&M, nebraska etc etc? those count too.

edit: to be more responsive to ur request, yes, i think u can argue beating UGA on the road is the win of the year.

Last edited by diskoteque; 11-06-2011 at 07:05 PM.

11-06-2011 , 07:03 PM

#957

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dkgojackets

can someone actually address the point at hand and not turn it into a "body of work" argument which is a term I have never used, thanks

This is how the BCS works. Why would we argue for any other way? If you aren't going to have a playoff system, then why would a team's full schedule not be a factor?

11-06-2011 , 07:06 PM

#958

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By the way, if the basis for Boise over Georgia was win of the year is the massively misleading "champion of the best conference" thing...does that mean that in assessing this, we don't even pay heed to what Georgia does against Georgia Tech in the final regular season game? Because even if they lose that game by 35+ they'll still be going onto the SEC title game, and still just as much in line to be the champion of the best conference. At what point do we get to actually dissect what is behind this hypothetical conference championship?

11-06-2011 , 07:15 PM

#959

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I dont know, you can start by using what I said in my post which states

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkgojackets

really pulling for uga to win out to see wtf happens

which would imply they win every game

11-06-2011 , 07:17 PM

#960

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progression here:

"if uga wins out then boise would definitely have the best win this year"
"no, they do not have the best body of work this season"
"yeah and what if uga loses a game?"

11-06-2011 , 07:19 PM

#961

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Okay, my mistake for missing that part.

Are you going to address the obvious problems that come with propping up "champion of the best conference" when we know that this would just be another situation like K State about five years ago beating Oklahoma out of nowhere in the Big 12 title game? Sure it improved the win prestige of those teams who beat K State earlier in the year, but not to an "OMG best win of the year" level.

11-06-2011 , 07:21 PM

#962

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Yes, I conceded a mistake there in a stand-alone that started my next post. It doesn't require devoting multiple posts to get me to do that. Don't project your level of argumentational honesty onto me; when a problem with what I've said has been pointed out, I do the big boy thing and just say so.

Last edited by LKJ; 11-06-2011 at 07:22 PM. Reason: Was typing my previous post while jackets was immaterially piling on.

11-06-2011 , 07:22 PM

#963

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LKJ

its not being the "champion of the best conference" in itself that makes it the best win, but that would be a fair way to describe this years uga team if they win out. we arent talking about an extreme example like a 4-way tie at 4-4 in the sec east with the winner finishing 6-6 before luckboxing a win, in which case the value would obviously be minimal.

11-06-2011 , 07:23 PM

#964

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dkgojackets

we're bringing up body of work because you're using "win of the year" as a basis for putting them in the NCG."it'll be very hard to keep them out" i believe was the quote.

we're saying one great win < several good wins

11-06-2011 , 07:23 PM

#965

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No, but we're talking about a somewhat extreme example where the SEC East is inordinately weak this year. Weaker than we're ever used to seeing. The SEC is almost never this imbalanced. That is what is leading to these circumstances.

11-06-2011 , 07:24 PM

#966

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this unlikely hypothetical discussion has gone on way too long, uga can now just lose

11-06-2011 , 07:25 PM

#967

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I was about to say the same. Would be pretty surprising if they beat both Auburn and Tech, would be mind-blowing if they somehow beat both teams and LSU also.

11-06-2011 , 07:27 PM

#968

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Quote:

Originally Posted by diskoteque

keep in mind Im talking from a media perspective which has done nothing but suck off the sec for 5 years. it would be hard to rationalize keeping out the team which killed the winner of said conference after all the other hype they have put in to the sec (not that it hasnt been for good reason).

11-06-2011 , 07:29 PM

#969

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It's not as though the media is wrong about the SEC. The hype is annoying, especially when it leads to this nonsense of hated rivals cheering for each other, but is generally on point with regards to the conference's strength.

11-06-2011 , 07:30 PM

#970

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LKJ

I was about to say the same. Would be pretty surprising if they beat both Auburn and Tech, would be mind-blowing if they somehow beat both teams and LSU also.

we havent beat uga at home in a really long time, but if paul johnson can get the guys to bring it like they did against clemson I like the chances.

I dont buy into that game being meaningful though, probably because Im not from georgia, dont live there, and dont know anyone who goes there except for a handful of friends and a few guys on the internet. Id much rather have wins over clemson and VT every year than uga.

11-06-2011 , 07:31 PM

#971

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LKJ

especially when it leads to this nonsense of hated rivals cheering for each other

now weve reached some common ground

11-06-2011 , 07:31 PM

#972

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one thing i'll say is that i hope boise at least gets to play an AQ team (assuming they win out) . boise vs houston would be pretty wack.

11-06-2011 , 07:37 PM

#973

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Boise vs. Houston would be awful. Similar to when Kansas played absolutely nobody and then had an Orange Bowl against a Virginia Tech squad who played nobody. If we're stuck with Boise in a BCS game then please at least let's make it a game where we get to find out where they measure up.