There we go, there's Eden. I bet you're ****ing exhausted from Finals huh? I had a mental break during finals actually... it's more common than you think! Thqat **** is stressful!

Does it bother you that I somewhat randomly cooperate with people? Why? Do you want us to be so in-fighting and immobile that nobody can fart without causing a rugburn? I do what the **** I want, you judge me as you see fit. That's how this game goes. If I think it's a problem and I'll be lynched for it I'll calmly explain how overdefining every action until you have a jillion buzzwords locking you into a series of optimized plays is the exact situation the I mean the Mafia are looking for. If they know every move you'll optimally make, they can utterly control you. I know this because it's my favorite tactic.

That's why I don't give a ****. I already went through a decade of learning all these terms, now I'm in my 'golden years' and IDGAF, let the rain pour down.

Sometimes a vote is just a vote, dogg.

Here's the deal though, those long posts you abhor so much are the complete thoughts of people trying to find wolves in most cases. If you don't like the content, subject or poster, don't read the post, but I don't advocate that unless you're a wolf.

Why is it that everything you say seems to be centered around the game or the players instead of figuring out who is the mafia? I find myself suddenly agreeing with Eden and (gulp, oh god) Vader on you.

Hey buddy. Yeah it's super tough man, every time I get to the 'motive' part I come up with 'is probably fishing' or 'is misreading' or 'is dumb' or 'is really dumb'...

It's tough. My best read I think is now possibly J, though CDL is rising too. J's attitude 180's then she disappears after a puff of heat from me.

WWW has a hard on for me, not sure how to feel about it. I wish they'd concisely attack me so I can consicely defend.

Syn I still think is town because I still agree with what STARTED this whole thing which is that Darth's attacks on Syn were based on Syn calling Darth out for being a little too mad professor on his attacks, like someone kicking anthills not to find ants but just to destroy something, to crap out a bad analogy. Then Darth, like he did with MY early concerns about him, exploded into a frothing madhouse of nonsense.

Missing Person I'm leaning very very slightly town only because everything he says sounds pretty reasonable.

Yeah but that was before you had trumped up a nonsense case on Syn for daring to question your ******ation. It's a little hard to precognitively know what major issue you will spawn from a molehill by reading only the incredibly inane interaction that prompted it. Wouldn't you agree?

Confirming it exists, I remember the post.

Are you saying the rainbow list was ... just a lot of nonsense?

Hahahaha.

I like it but I feel like you're gonna swing for that one.

Hm. I'm willing to investigate this a little. You're the only person I hear claling for Lawrence's head so...

Give me some time and I'll ISO him later.

Sorta like your posts about me HEY-O!

Hm. Interesting. Why is that?

Yeah. This is what I hoped you were doing. I get a town lean off CDL for this move. I realize that's controversial but... he knew it would be. Nobody in the game so far has given a FULL list like that, and he did express beforehand frustration saying that all the town/wolf namecalling and out of context quote clippings were detrimental to our game, and I agree 100%, as does Luckbox I see, whom I've decided is probably not an idiot (though he could very well be a wolf, I'm just netural atm) and I'm surprised more people don't.

Dude, relax! I only just now caught up to my own first post of the day!

Yeah, I think it's pretty unlikely, too.

I want SJG still, but I am fully behind a Law wagon and for the sake of two of my town-reads being on that wagon I am okay with helping them push it even harder with my vote.

Unvote
Vote: Lawrencelot

I do not want to lynch Guild or CDL. I feel both of them are super dummy/nooby town and I just do not get the impression that they are evil but rather misjudged. I would only lynch them to prevent a NL but that's it. Rokk is too much of a null and I feel we wouldn't get much of a papertrail out of that lynch but I can see the wheels turning for why people would want to lynch him. I am hella against the Darth wagon, that will just be a dumb ML and I will be upset. Syn or SJG are also good lynches.

I am finding myself more so scrambling because we need to reach a certain number before deadline to lynch a slot and we are nowhere near that. We need 13 to lynch someone if my math is correct so with Law having 4 (iirc) then we still need 9 to make it happen.

People should be dropping these 1-2 vote wagons and going for something that may actually happen already. Plus people should be voting now rather than later. No one should be posting unless they have a vote in their post for one of the current wagons going since deadline is so short.

[QUOTE=SystemOverload;43152554] What is this I don't even...


Can you talk about someone else plz? Your apparent tunneling is confounding my read on you.

What in hell? What happened to Syn?

matthew is lurking fwiw

I'm going to read to the end to see if this has been addressed already, but Darth, you're reading pretty scummy now with your vote changes that don't even comment on your previous Syn crusade.

Almost at the end, but need to do some things. Back in a bit.

CDL looked hella scummy with his fake reads. and the Syn wagon wasn't going to happen. I still think he is scum, but there comes a point when tunneling becomes counterproductive and I was past that point.

So I sheep my town read. And go from there. I am pretty sure I posted to you that I was letting syn go for a while anyway. I don't get what is so shocking about dropping it for now.

For reference there is no majority lynch and the top wagon at the end of the day is lynched.

Most lynches will be decided seconds from EOD if this game goes like how most 2+2 games go

If we want to lynch mafia today, we're going to lynch this guy.

I oftentimes see people saying "I vote so-and-so. never changing" and be town, but this guy never actually changes his vote. I'm not saying that CDL is guaranteed town, even though I lean that way on him so far, but I think that it's a mafia quality to vote once and never change because mafia thinks, wrongfully so, that it's inherently scummy to change one's opinion.

The bolded, red, underlined, italics part of the above bothers me. It's something a mafia would say to "calm down" trying to feign contribution.


I asked DarthPunk about his feelings about lawrence because I thought darthpunk was scummy, but I'm now waging an internal war over dp's alignment. He's made posts that I like (#156) and posts that I dislike (#51).

I didn't like post 51 because DP said that he thinks cory is town even though he spent the post talking about how the policy talk is useless, and cory was contributing to that vig talk.


Which transitions into my other internal conflict: cory. He's voting for my top scum read, which is ++++++ in my books, but this post seems really forced to me:



More scum:
djarm - I find the vote/unvote of CalledDownLight really strange. Barely any time passed, so 1) if it were a joke vote, he could have voted and unvoted instantly 2) if he wanted to put pressure, why did he unvote? 3) did CalledDownLight do anything townie in between those two posts? Like, the whole thing is just strange and doesn’t follow logical progression for why he would take that line.

He later goes on to explain that he was looking for a specific reaction and didn't get it. This is absolute bull****. CalledDownLight posted 1 time between post #93 and #103. It happened 2 minutes after the post that djarm made and 3 minutes before the post where djarm unvoted. CalledDownLight was quoting things and could easily have just not had time to respond yet. The explanation is bull**** and the unvote is super sketch.

This post also makes no sense, since once again, in conjunction with his explanation of his vote/unvote of CalledDownLight. djarm is tripping all over his words and lacks consistency in what he's saying. He's probably just trying to throw **** on the wall and hope it sticks.

I'm actually talking myself into thinking that djarm is scummier than lawrence, but my read on Lawrence might just be too strong to overcome.

lawrence




Some throwaway thoughts that will probably go unexplained for the time being:

wwwwwombat - scummy. this guy can't sincerely believe that his innocuous post "Dat lazy vote from djarm." made djarm rescind. he wouldn't be mafia with djarm though.
sjg - towny but if his filter is 100% talk about vigi I'm gonna make sure he's mislynched. I didn't realize how much I liked sjg's reads until post 303, which was a quote of post 160.
MissingPerson - towny mostly for the aggression in post 187 and then post 281 as well, since I can follow the logic and it seems like towny logic.
CDL - towny
Shills - towny
jcohen - scummy


Any discrepancies with previous reads/statements will be blamed on fatigue. I work crazy hours. In and out of surgeries.

I'm more than happy to answer any questions. I'll probably catch up on the pages that I've been too lazy to read during the night, although I did skim through them.

reiterate: lawrence

I did.

It was also really obvious that syn wasn't getting lynched. I don't know why you would expect town to continue to push an unrealistic lynch. Especially when I have been talking about consolidating for a while.

Another thing about Synonym, I still want to know where that comment about cory being an ass came from and how it means he needed to be mentioned as possible scum.

That's semi a blessing and a bit of a curse. I prefer majority since it gets people to take a stance but that is more opinion>how this game is running.

With that being said it takes a bit of a load off my mind.

Anyway it is like 5am here and I am way too tired.

Later.

Probs won't be back for deadline.

Im lurking

Votes from post 13 to post 1816
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
5	Lawrencelot	Mattchew (19), _J_ (29), DWetzel (61), DarthPunk (188), corycurren (95)
3	DarthPunk	Synonym (38), Guild (81), Missing Person (99)
2	DWetzel	Luckbox Inc (85), WWWWombat (49)
2	Rokk_Krinn	SystemOverload (91), The Moocher (123)
2	Synonym	sjg11 (69), Pres Eden (48)
2	Guild	djarm67 (22), jcohen (132)
2	CalledDownLight	Rokk_Krinn (34), Lawrencelot (29)
2	sjg11	Phelanpt (174), dils (44)
1	jcohen	Tattersail (32)
1	WWWWombat	CalledDownLight (146)
1	dils	Nickismyname (52)
1	unvote	Shills (40)
1	not voting	Gamer Dude (12)

Matt it feels weird to see you FoS me for my OP (which was baller) and then announce your top scumread as someone utr that I've been screaming people to vote for with little traction until now

Can someone explain the numbers next to everyone's names? I do not get it.

Tone. You missed tone.


Would that be Ace? Why don't you like one-liners?


Do you really think wolves would be mutually clearing themselves?



Being emotional is a null tell imo. And telling us to lynch you if DarthPunk flips town is silly.


You think scum are hardcore chainsawing on D1?

lawrence

amount of posts they have made this gameday. Clicking someone's name will act as a link and take you to where they made that vote.

^If it doesn't pertain to the game, it can wait. It just is making me more and more curious that they keep changing.

I kind wish there was a PR were I could just kill 5-6 slots in this game all at once and see their flips and go from there. I do better with connections but like hell am I going to be re-reading much unless it comes down to crunch time near the end if I am still around.

J do you recall claiming I'd lost a fight with Moocher and that you'd revisit to see if you were right about that? Do you still feel I was wrong and Moocher was right? Can you revisit the argument now to tell me who was technically right? That's literally the ONLY thing I cared about in the argument, and I'd have gladly brought the town to its knees arguing with him until we were both dead, not because I thought he was mafia but to dissuade others in the future from trying to steamroll me. What do you think about it now that some time has gone by?

I've been reading you in ISO and I'm having a hard time with a few things.

1) You're not very active. That's not bad normally, but we've already established that every Championships game has been lost by the town because they ignored quiet people. In and of itself this means nothing, but taken as a whole I don't see you really doing much of anything. Can you give me a list of people you would NOT lynch and a list of people you WOULD?

2) Your tone changed when you came to the thread. Now you are calling people newbie and dummy and etc. You realize I'm the longest playing player in this tournament, right? Does that alter this assessment of me at all? I'm just curious for you to elaborate on this incredibly unfocused relegation of me to 'noob' status, like you really want people disregarding me. Understandable! I've been onto you since you first posted back to me after the game started and you seemed annoyed and snarky. I wouldn't want people taking me seriously either.

3) I see you bandying with people, declaring people town for this or mafia for that, and I see you waffling a little. These are good signs. However, there's a veneer of disingenuity to it, especially when you laugh at someone in one post then try to act coy and sweet in the next. I see you telling jcohen to chil and laughing at him. Then I see you claiming you always smile when you post as if you're a sweet person. Then I see you saying CDL is useless, then you say he got discussion going, then he's useless again. Your attack on Shills also struck me compeltely out of left-field and offbase. It's a bit TOO much for me, the disparity of tones, the waffling a bit too much about things that don't even concern alignment, and the fact that almost everything you say I disagree with. Disagreeing with you can be an incredibly useful thing, but not when I also think you're a wolf, and I do. You have precious few moments every day to post, I get that, but you seem to spend them teasing the room and courting for towncred rather than making any kind of original points, leading any wagons, clearing up anything... or anything at all really.

4) My guts are grumbling at me you're mafia for nebulous reasons surrounding all that, and my guts are tons of smart. They went to college.

Do you have anything to say to help me get past this problem I'm having?

Thanks, CDL. Much appreciated.